FBI cop murdered unarmed man in interrogation

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Look at the answers people are giving; he's a terrorist and we're better off not having him around, so it's all good. It's the same justification for drones or wrongful executions (the governor of Texas said, sure, this person might not have committed the murder but he was a bad person, we're better off without him). Those who accept this have this idea that somehow they'll always be classified as Good in the eternal Good vs Evil division that the authorities and elites set up.

This was the murder of someone who was being interrogated. They went straight to lethal force immediately and then they told stories about what this person supposedly said and are we supposed to believe this? They also claimed he had a knife and now they admit otherwise. The COBP spokesman here in this city asked the police chief here recently about a case where the police claimed that a homeless man who was gunned down had, according to initial reports, threatened the cops with a knife (not unlike this case where the same claim was made) but in the official report, the knife was not mentioned at all, and asked which one of them is true, and in fact he knew full well that the reasonable conclusion to draw is that the police lied to cover up an execution and of course got away with it.

Cops gunned someone down at a Costco in Virginia recently and they argued that they had to kill because the taser was broken. Can you imagine such a thing?

I can see the problem with other people's answers yes. Under the US legal system, no matter how justified it could be and how evil the victim is, extrajuditial executions are illegal, and although I may not shed tears for the death of a known evil-doer, I believe it unethical to just kill him without provocation as it is not the police's choice to make, and opens the door to abuse of power and the killing of people whose guiltiness may not be as clear. Police will tend to be biased towards the guy they caught, and that's why they can't be allowed to be the judges in these situations. If he's so guilty, then a court would say so and he'd receive his punishment, the proper way.

Did he really attack his captors? (apparently yes, because one of them sustained injuries) Did he really have a knife? (apparently not). Here I've seem cases where police beat up university students and then deny everything, or say it was in self-defense and their word is taken as fact, and there is something very wrong with that. But if you want to llustrate that concept, you chose a poor example where there is physical proof one of the agents was attacked (maybe they were beating the caught guy up, he reacted and then got killed, I'd only really trust video) and you are also using some logical fallacies to defend your point and disregarding the possible truths that don't fit with your worldview, and even though you discuss legitimate issues, if you do it in a faulty way those issues won't be taken an seriously as they should.

I can't say much about e homeless or the cotsco cases without facts, and in this very case the facts are unclear too as we can't know what happened inside that interrogation room, one way or the other.

thank you, at least someone believes in do process- personally this all seemed suspect, I wanted to see the video that the FBI supposedly had?
I'm sure I never will

If the road for this killer does, under the laws, lead to execution, the powers that be will see to it that this road is blocked and instead the cop is rewarded for murder.

Google "disparity of force".

The FBI are a bunch of crooks. Always during their so-called terror stings, the moments that could be used to prove entrapment are marred by "recording device malfunctions". It happens every time, and still the suckers in the jury fall for it as when it's about terrorism well, that freezes the brain so that they cannot think and reason, only hear and obey!

Does that mean everyone in the FBI is a crook and everything everyone in the FBI does at all times is a crime?

The recording device malfunctions put the FBI in the category of common grifters. Those by the way are the sorts of people they get to dream up these terror plots on their behalf and run the operations in question.

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Right, terrorism is just something the FBI dreamed up to create a niche for their expertise and to give them more power.
I'm no lover of federal LE and I believe they should be more accountable but on the other hand I'm not delusional, either.

If someone is a murderer, he should get arrested for being a murderer. Dont know, what you need to discuss about it.

Maybe we can go on and discuss if people that drive to fast, should get sued for driving too fast...

Cops who kill should be prosecuted. Otherwise they're going to keep killing first and asking questions later and this is a greater threat to the public than is terrorism. This obsession with "force protection" in the police must stop... that mentality in the US military that causes it to kill thousands of civilians in occupied countries to prevent one soldier from being killed in action.

It isn't murder until there is an indictment for the act. Homicide yes, murder maybe.

If the claims of self defense hold up it is NOT murder, but justifiable homicide.

Those Chechens are such hotheads!

ruveyn

gotta shut up the fall guy. everything about the boston bombing just screams false flag so that the goverment could try out martial law.

What martial law. In under a week the lockdown was over and the Chechens were either dead or in the bag. Given the flight and resistance of arrest it is pretty clear these guys were as guilty as sin.

ruveyn

there is no real proof that they even fought back, according to eye witnesses the police ran over his brother when he tried to surrender. the other brother had no weapons on him when he was caught after the police turned the boat to swiss cheese and then said he shot himself.

While I do believe the suspect was a terrible person (and probably did "deserve" it), he is still a human being, and deserves the basic human rights that our country claims to hold so dear. I am disturbed by the amount of freedom and liberty that is gradually being eroded away in the name of "security" and "national interest." The US government can now monitor everything you do on the internet, with no probable cause. The government can legally detain you indefinitely for "suspicion." And there are areas in this country that can detain you indefinitely if you are not carrying current identification. And by the way, if you are "detained" instead of "arrested" then you are not read your miranda rights, you do not have the right to an attorney, and they do not have to give you a phone call. I believe that this case has rapidly become another instance where the "he deserved it" argument has only further justified the police state we are entering.
I live in the United States, where the words "Vengeance" and "Justice" have come to mean the same thing.
Am I the only one who sees this once great nation quickly becoming a fascist tyranny masquerading as a democracy of the people?

*edit to fix a typo

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