Thousands of UK Girls Injured by HPV Vaccine
I am a free-choice vaxxer (and free-choice gun owner, free-choice speech advocate etc.). And, all of my posts are entertaining, don't you think?
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What the f**k is your problem?! What are you scared of?! People actually having control over their own bodies? Who gave you power over everyone's conversations, or their bodies for that matter. Fascists. If you're not interested in this information, ignore it or give your opinion without labelling or attacking them! Why would you be against any debate on the subject. Is it because so called "anti-vaxxers" have some good points? Ffs, this forum is supposed to be open to anyone replying and offering their opinion but they get accused of being anti-vaxxers or told they should be covering up for bad practice in the vaccine industry. Grow up.
Have you actually seen what was posted? It gives numbers of how many people already believe this vaccine is unsafe. It took decades for thalidomide victims to overcome people like you. Do you still think that was a conspiracy theory?
What are we scared off!? Isn't that obvious!?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_smallpox#Epidemics_in_the_Americas
The efficiency of vaccination in a population depend of herd immunity, meaning that if there is fewer vaccinated peoples even those who have been vaccinated are more vulnerable.
If peoples listen to anti-vaxxers is not because anti-vaxxers have good points (So far they don't.), it's because peoples are stupids. Personally I don't want to die from a epidemic because some millions of idiots think vaccines cause autism.
Well even if you do not have a cervix you can be damaged by the HPV virus, I have read that it can cause cancer of male parts such as the penis. Trust me as a man that does not sound like a fun disease to have.
I do not know how much of a threat HPV poses to a woman if you ignore the cervix, but I know that some viruses can be spread during oral sex. I think that the virus can cause disease if spread to the mouth area.
Why? Because it protects against a sexually transmitted disease?
Its a disease brought on by lifestyle,
So?
You're at risk of cancer if you get it.
Why? Given that it's pretty common for people to become sexually active during puberty and given that most people will eventually become sexually active at some point in their lives, why is it wrong to mandate vaccination against sexually transmitted diseases?
The government does not own me, I have the right to my own body.
Also no, I am not at risk of cancer from HPV as I do not have a cervix.
And so? So it isn't anything I would worry about for my young child.
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Why? Because it protects against a sexually transmitted disease?
Why does there need to be a vaccine against a disease that is so easy to avoid. If you don't want to contract a sexually-transmitted disease, then just don't have sex with someone you barely know. Why is that so hard for so many to do these days?
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Thanks for that!
I wouldn't call myself an 'anti-vaxxer', but I do have serious doubts about the need, safety and effectiveness of all of these needles that we seem to be getting these days. Is it really true that in the United States by the age of four a child has has something like 40 separate vaccinations? If true, isn't this... I don't know - excessive?
Why? Because it protects against a sexually transmitted disease?
Its a disease brought on by lifestyle,
So?
You're at risk of cancer if you get it.
Why? Given that it's pretty common for people to become sexually active during puberty and given that most people will eventually become sexually active at some point in their lives, why is it wrong to mandate vaccination against sexually transmitted diseases?
So? So a vaccination is mandated for an activity that is purely optional, and the justification for this is the belief that 'most people will eventually engage in it'. Well, if people want to be promiscuous then let them get the damn vaccine!
The HPV vaccine and chicken pox vaccine were not recommended by doctors in my area because of questions of how actually effective they were. The former only protected against one strain of HPV out of many, if I remember correctly. The chicken pox vaccine provided a limited window of protection, and does not prevent shingles in adulthood.
I don't rate those two diseases in the same category as polio, MMR, etc. Preventative healthcare is good, but it has to get weighed against the odds. What is the likelihood of 1. Contracting HPV and 2. The percentage of cases of cervical cancer linked directly to HPV, vs infected people who don't develop it. 3. If the vaccine knocks out one HPV strain, is that the only one linked to a higher cancer risk?
Medicine isn't a black or white area in some cases, but more about trying to play the odds in your favor. Questioning is a good thing, as long as reliable information/data is out there.
Why? Because it protects against a sexually transmitted disease?
Its a disease brought on by lifestyle,
So?
You're at risk of cancer if you get it.
Why? Given that it's pretty common for people to become sexually active during puberty and given that most people will eventually become sexually active at some point in their lives, why is it wrong to mandate vaccination against sexually transmitted diseases?
So? So a vaccination is mandated for an activity that is purely optional, and the justification for this is the belief that 'most people will eventually engage in it'. Well, if people want to be promiscuous then let them get the damn vaccine!
And that's a problem because?
Look, let's be realistic here. From what I understand, the HPV vaccine is most effective when administered before people become sexually active. We don't know if a particular child is going to become sexually active when they start going through puberty or not but if they do, then at at least there'll be some protection.
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I remember reading something from The Messiah about vaccination... here is a portion of his lettre to TAVN...
I say : "Ask questions, read as much as you can and above all, investigate before you do not vaccinate." For as I see it, vaccination is important in this day and age.
...then further on down in his lettre to TAVN...
What I can say, is that due to my personal exposure to dangerous diseases over the years, that without the 'marvel' of vaccines and medicines I would not have lived beyond 35 years of age.
Terence -
...full lettre of course at The Testament of Truth: Other Lettres (You will need to scroll down to the 3rd or 2nd-from-last missive for the full lettre in his telling of TAVN to stop promoting anti-vaccination through fear-mongering)
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I say : "Ask questions, read as much as you can and above all, investigate before you do not vaccinate." For as I see it, vaccination is important in this day and age.
...then further on down in his lettre to TAVN...
What I can say, is that due to my personal exposure to dangerous diseases over the years, that without the 'marvel' of vaccines and medicines I would not have lived beyond 35 years of age.
Terence -
...full lettre of course at The Testament of Truth: Other Lettres (You will need to scroll down to the 3rd or 2nd-from-last missive for the full lettre in his telling of TAVN to stop promoting anti-vaccination through fear-mongering)
So, you're going to oppose vaccines because of some New Age religious mumbo jumbo? I'd rather trust science.
what lifestyle would that be? Anyone with any lifestyle could get it (maybe aside from the lifestyle of someone holing themselves up in a fortress and refusing to go out in public).
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Only real way to be safe is celibacy. Just because you know someone, doesn't mean you know what they're doing when you're not around.
Also, you can't always prevent things from happening to you. If you're assaulted and forced into it, you could still end up getting infected, despite making a decision to remain celibate.
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My Freedom! Bring back Small Pox and Polio like God intended.
It is not about You. Mostly it is about your parents generation who over did it with Sex, Drugs, Rock and Roll.
That we have a vaccine for any of the results of their sex is a miracle, and maybe someday, something for their music.
Epidemic or Vaccine is the price for living in a super herd of hairless ground apes.
Sick apes used to have the decency to just die, or get over it. HPV is not like that, once established the entire future will get infected. Now that we still have a pool of young people who did not get infected in the womb, or at birth, we should take the risk of protecting them.
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Really ? You're going to go about playing the "New Age" knee-jerk-reaction card now ?
I say : "Ask questions, read as much as you can and above all, investigate before you do not vaccinate." For as I see it, vaccination is important in this day and age.
...then further on down in his lettre to TAVN...
What I can say, is that due to my personal exposure to dangerous diseases over the years, that without the 'marvel' of vaccines and medicines I would not have lived beyond 35 years of age.
Terence -
...full lettre of course at The Testament of Truth: Other Lettres (You will need to scroll down to the 3rd or 2nd-from-last missive for the full lettre in his telling of TAVN to stop promoting anti-vaccination through fear-mongering)
So, you're going to oppose vaccines because of some New Age religious mumbo jumbo? I'd rather trust science.
Here are the contents of a letter that Terence had written to a "New Age" organisation called Sukyo Mahikari...
Dear 'Mahikari' org -
*Please advise me 'where' I find out what your 'ideology' or 'doctrine' is that you speak of on your web site:
Also, I see that you 'distribute' what you term a 'Holy pendant' upon your 'novices' once they decide to join your organisation.
*Can you please advise me what the 'use' of such a pendant is? and,
*What is the reason for your 'assumption' that it is holy?
*Do you place some 'divine' powers upon it?
I also see that you refer to teaching what you term 'The Law of the Universe.'
*Can you please advise me what in your opinion constitutes said Law? You also go on to state:
*Are you telling me that you 'hold' the key to inner truth that is needed by any seeker of Salvation or enlightenment?
*Are you telling me that in order to attain this knowledge that I first must become a member of your 'secret' society?
*Are you telling me that you have more & deeper teachings to 'preach' if I elevate myself in your 'system'?
I see that on your web site you also state:
*'How' I ask - - do you know or assume that 'Rev' Seiho ascended to Heaven?
*'How' I ask - - does one receive a 'divine degree' that enables a person to become what you term a 'Holy master'?
*What I ask in your opinion is the requirement of God reference a person's 'Spiritual Salvation'?
Please reply to these questions, for it is my considered opinion that there are many false teachers today, and they all are misleading God's children in some way, and under the ONE Law of God they all 'suffer' and pay their karmic dues for being untrue. Deception is the 'worst' crime in God's eyes for it misleads the ignorant and the wise and it sends them into Hell to suffer for eternity.
If you cannot answer my request of the 'requirement of God' reference Spiritual Salvation without me first having to 'pay' or join your organisation then you are not of the 'True Light,' and if you cannot answer it to the satisfaction of the True light then you are truly in a 'sorry' plight.
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I suggest that all 'lightbearers' go to:
< http://www.the-testament-of-truth.co.uk ... b/heal.htm >
Also, due to my knowledge of vast amounts of research regarding para-psychology & para-normal phenomenon, I can attest that much of what Terence has written factually has actual scientific-evidence uncovered by para-normal researchers to back up his claims, and I recognise Terence's style being just as reminscent of his prior Jesus-Avatar in being just as Anti-Establishment & using the word God as frequently as he does (that is the hall-mark of a prophet who was not even welcomed in his own home-town or family or even most of society for that matter just like it's being repeated... Jews rejected Jesus on the grounds that Jesus wasn't a king or the commander of a huge military and modern-day Pharisee-Christians reject Terence on the grounds that he didn't fly from out of the sky with trumpet-horns upon clouds...). Magical-thinking indeed... humans seem to want to dig their own graves with such self-perpatuating false-beliefs apparently.
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People thinking they have control over their bodies by not getting vaccinated is ridiculous. When you get a disease that could have been prevented you have no control over what unpleasantness your body does. You end up really sick for weeks or develop life-threatening complications? Have a good time attempting to control that. ![]()
