Bruce Jenner: "Call Me Caitlyn"

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03 Jun 2015, 5:02 pm

Adamantium wrote:

I don't really get this. I mean, if the person wants to be called she, why be rude? What harm is done by respecting her wishes? Or would it somehow be better if I said "his" wishes?

I just don't understand why it is anyone's business to tell him to conform to some particular role.

Maybe if she wore a burka? Had bound feet.

I don't see it as being rude. Everyone else can call Bruce whatever he wants them to call him, I just can't bring myself to do so. I think it's my literal thinking that won't allow me to do so. If it has a penis it's still a he no matter how it looks on the outside.

If science was able to give an apple a peel that looks like a banana, it's still an apple even if everyone else calls it a banana. Maybe not the best analogy as even I might get a bit confused looking at a Banapple.

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04 Jun 2015, 2:33 am

beneficii wrote:

Good point.

To me, it's just cheap, and it does a disservice to people suffering from the disorder.

I'm all for acceptance and understanding (serious and not joking around Dill), but not glamor and what amounts to whoring a disorder out for personal and selfish gains.

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04 Jun 2015, 7:17 am

She finally looks the part, and looks good, too!

Notice she spelled Caitlyn with a 'C' and not a 'K'?

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04 Jun 2015, 7:42 am

Family Guy from 2009

For what was a 65 year old man, Caitlyn turned out pretty well. I'm sure there was a lot of work done in those photos but whatever, good for her. Now please excuse me from learning any more about the Kardashians.

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04 Jun 2015, 8:38 am

KyleTheGhost wrote:

Notice she spelled Caitlyn with a 'C' and not a 'K'?

Yep, I noticed that, too----that's significant, as well, IMO.

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Now please excuse me from learning any more about the Kardashians.

HA! I hear ya!

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04 Jun 2015, 3:48 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:

KyleTheGhost wrote:

Notice she spelled Caitlyn with a 'C' and not a 'K'?

Yep, I noticed that, too----that's significant, as well, IMO.

can you tell me what the significance is?

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04 Jun 2015, 3:55 pm

auntblabby wrote:

Campin_Cat wrote:

KyleTheGhost wrote:

Notice she spelled Caitlyn with a 'C' and not a 'K'?

Yep, I noticed that, too----that's significant, as well, IMO.

can you tell me what the significance is?

All the 'K's in the Kardashian family and the use of 'K's instead of 'C's.

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04 Jun 2015, 3:58 pm

KyleTheGhost wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Campin_Cat wrote:

KyleTheGhost wrote:

Notice she spelled Caitlyn with a 'C' and not a 'K'?

Yep, I noticed that, too----that's significant, as well, IMO.

can you tell me what the significance is?

All the 'K's in the Kardashian family and the use of 'K's instead of 'C's.

thank you Kyle

gosh, such symbolism :scratch:

why do you think Caitlyn wanted to differentiate from the rest of the kin this way?

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04 Jun 2015, 5:42 pm

auntblabby wrote:

KyleTheGhost wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Campin_Cat wrote:

KyleTheGhost wrote:

Notice she spelled Caitlyn with a 'C' and not a 'K'?

Yep, I noticed that, too----that's significant, as well, IMO.

can you tell me what the significance is?

All the 'K's in the Kardashian family and the use of 'K's instead of 'C's.

thank you Kyle

gosh, such symbolism :scratch:

why do you think Caitlyn wanted to differentiate from the rest of the kin this way?

Well, I'm thinkin' MAYBE..... See, Bruce and Kris got a divorce----and, this might be another way of Bruce showing how he's starting his NEW life----breaking-away from the "tradition" of the KKKKKs.

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04 Jun 2015, 5:44 pm

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AHA!

clever!

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04 Jun 2015, 10:23 pm

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beneficii wrote:

Good point.

But remember, only decades ago, homosexuality was considered a disorder.

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05 Jun 2015, 2:02 am

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But remember, only decades ago, homosexuality was considered a disorder.

Mainly because homosexual doctors lobbied for it to be removed. It's clearly a "disorder" that can cause undue stress/suffering on someone, even if it's due to cultural/social perceptions (most tend to be when you get to it).

You can say the same with an ASD. People just have to be more accepting of it, yes? An ASD often causes suffering when the person is being forced to be something they're not.... Same thing.

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05 Jun 2015, 2:13 am

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But remember, only decades ago, homosexuality was considered a disorder.

How I heard it, was, most American psychologists and psychiatrists had wanted to end homosexuality's label as a mental illness, gay or not, and would have done so much sooner were it not for the quacks promoting their spurious reparative therapy.
And even if being gay - like being an Aspie - puts one in a group that faces stress and discrimination, being gay or an Aspie in itself isn't the cause of the mental strife. Therefore, neither qualifies as a mental illness.

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05 Jun 2015, 2:19 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

And even if being gay - like being an Aspie - puts one in a group that faces stress and discrimination, being gay or an Aspie in itself isn't the cause of the mental strife. Therefore, neither qualifies as a mental illness.

Exactly, but they need to be if we're to receive help for them, whether that's because of internal and/or external factors. Whilst it can be demeaning to be seen as mentally ill, you have to accept what you are and how it makes you suffer in comparison to other people without it, otherwise you will suffer more due to not getting the help you probably need.

GID being a disorder allows for medication and other treatment options to be administered under insurance/government health, for example (various degrees of success there, of course).

(The implication is that you're suffering and/or have trouble with functioning. If you don't, there's no point in labeling yourself with something.)

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05 Jun 2015, 7:41 am

Dillogic wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

But remember, only decades ago, homosexuality was considered a disorder.

If you read the DSM's definition of a mental disorder, it is supposed to represent a dysfunction within the individual, not persecution or merely a conflict with society.

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05 Jun 2015, 7:42 am

This African-American woman I think makes good points on gender dysphoria, points which are not well-addressed and when made often result in the maker being no-platformed:

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Paradoxically, the more our society tries to free itself from gender stereotypes, the more it becomes enslaved to them. By saying that people can be born in a body of the wrong gender, transgender activists are saying there is a set of feelings that are only allocated to women and another set for men. Therefore, they believe, those who feel things that do not conform to their sex’s acceptable set of feelings must outwardly change their gender to match their mind.

Why are we colluding with narrow ideas of femininity or masculinity? What does it mean to “feel” like a woman? Should we question that idea as much as we have questioned ideas of a “woman’s place” or a “man’s role”? When did we come to accept the idea of “gendered thoughts” or “gendered feelings”?

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People opposed to the transgender movement are often accused of being bigots. In truth, I—like many others—harbor no hate for people who suffer from gender identity disorder. Rather, I feel deep compassion and concern for them in their suffering. As someone in the field of psychology, I hope we can one day find a more holistic, less invasive means to treat this disorder. However, I will concede that I find something quite insulting about the entire phenomenon. It is an insult to the other sex to think that by “dressing like them,” “talking like them,” or claiming to “feel like them,” you can therefore be them. Being a man is about more than wearing a suit, and being a woman is about more than putting on makeup. If we feel confined in our bodies, perhaps it is not our bodies we should try to correct but our spirits we should reconnect with.

http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15108/

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