Non-transgender Men Being Allowed In Women's Bathroom!

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Ok, so after reading that article I don't understand what problem you have because they have a family restroom that is available to one person (or family) at a time. So if you're worried about going in the women's bathroom, use the single toilet one.

I'm not understanding why you think it is OK for this to be happening. Why can't the transgender people go in that bathroom since they are the minority of. 3%? Why do you think it's ok to take away womens rights to a private bathroom? You do realize that men who are NOT even dressed as women are abusing this rule?

If they are going to allow this then just make the bathroom coed so women know what they are getting into. What about that idea?

You're right, it's a really small population, how often do you think this is going to realistically be an issue?-- probably less than you're going on about. In fact, all the "gotcha" type videos and articles you're posting are probably 99.7% of the actual problem.

I don't think the. 3% would be happy even if a bathroom was specifically made for them. They don't feel justified until they trample on other people's rights and get everything the way they want it. The word "compromise" is not a part of their language it seems.

I disagree. How do you think it got to the point it has? It isn't going away. If someone doesn't nip it in the bud right when it's happening, then people are going to accept that it's OK and it will then be considered the norm. You don't see Target backing down.

I also don't like being seen as a racist just because I want MY rights as a woman to be able to go in a public restroom and not have to worry if I'm going to be on youtube the next day. I think it's funny that men think it's ok - if it was happening to them they'd be bitching the loudest.

It's pretty sexist to say that women should dress a certain way in order to be identified as "woman."

I know plenty of women who dress in guys clothes. I don't see how that changes anything.

Sounds like an argument you could make about having separate bathrooms for black people. People were horrified when the supreme court desegregated. Look how that turned out.

You may not like it but the country is as a whole becoming less bigoted. The millennial generation for the most part doesn't hold the same antiquated views that yours and other generations were raised to with.

From NBC Los Angeles "Man Disguised as Woman Recorded "Hours" of Mall Restroom Video: Investigators.

From King 5 News Seattle "Man in women's locker room cites gender rule"

From San Angelo Live! "Illegal Immigrant Receives Jail Sentence for Filming Women in Walmart Bathroom"

From The Huffington Post Canada "University of Toronto Gender Neutral Bathrooms Reduced After Voyeurism Reports"

From King5 news in Washington State "Man in women's locker room cites gender rule"

"Seattle Parks and Recreation is facing a first-of-a-kind challenge to gender bathroom rules. A man undressed in a women's locker room, citing a new state rule that allows people to choose a bathroom based on gender identity.
It was a busy time at Evans Pool around 5:30pm Monday February 8. The pool was open for lap swim. According to Seattle Parks and Recreation, a man wearing board shorts entered the women's locker room and took off his shirt. Women alerted staff, who told the man to leave, but he said "the law has changed and I have a right to be here.""

The case of Christopher "Jessica" Hambrook. Hambrook, 37, pleaded guilty in February 2013 to two counts of sexual assault and one count of criminal harassment involving two women — a deaf and homeless Quebec woman and a Toronto survivor of domestic violence — while he was living at a Dundas St. W. shelter and the Fred Victor women’s shelter in January and February 2012.
He claimed to be transgender and was thus granted access to a women's shelter.

Links to others.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/1 ... z1Jvi9S900

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/92510/arc ... ocker-room

San Jose sex offender wearing fake breasts, wig arrested for loitering in womens' restroom By Lisa Fernandez Mercury News
Here's the link. http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_11558044

From Japan Probe
A man has been arrested in Hokkaido for putting on some make-up and a blouse and hanging out in a women’s public toilet:
Tsukasa Okazaki, 45, the banker from Monbetsu, Hokkaido, was arrested for trespassing. He admits to the allegations.
“I wanted people to see me as some sort of weirdo,” he told the police.
Mission accomplished.

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2003/11/27/ ... 069941991/

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2006-12- ... anny-gate/

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/loca ... 72564.html
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/ ... 414089.php

all of those things are crimes by themselves. I'm going to point out the logic against gun control:

If the criminals were breaking laws already what's going to stop them from breaking a new law and going in the women's restroom. If you believe that logic holds true for guns, then you have to also believe it holds true for bathrooms. But in this case it's 1000s times easier to go into a restroom than it is to buy a gun.

@Shrapnel:

Cool, 13 cases...in a population of 365,000,000. That's what's called: statistically irrelevant. If that sounds cold hearted, well it is, and ya know what it's the same thing I was told when I was molested by my grade-school principal and my parents asked why they didn't do background checks: "it happens so few times, it's statistically irrelevant." So yeah, what's good for the goose is good for the gander as far as I'm concerned. That's the "way we do things in this country" as I was taught. I got over it, they will too.

I see what you're saying but I don't think your example is the best because doing background checks is done at schools and it doesn't infringe upon anyone's rights (everything is public record).

Yes, they are now, but they weren't automatic back in 1987, hence the reason predators got through. Yeah, probably not the best illustration, but the counter-argument would have been: "it's only statistically irrelevant if it doesn't happen to you." My story was merely to cut the counter-argument off before it even went there, because I have experienced being "statistically irrelevant."

*side note (not meant to derail). Alex, since your reading this thread: honeypot the forms for spam prevention. It will most likely eliminate the spam outright, and probably make cloudflare a moot investment. I can point who ever is coding the site to the right direction, walk them through doing it themselves, or do it myself with access to the post form/registration form. PM me if you want to know what it is/how it works/how to do it.

I should hope that transgendered men aren't allowed in the women's bathroom, either. Because only women -- transgendered or otherwise -- should be allowed in the women's bathroom.....(although, honestly, I think gendered bathrooms are kind of stupid and they should just make unisex bathrooms that are all stalls and sinks).

You should read this article: http://time.com/4314896/transgender-bathroom-bill-male-predators-argument/....from the article:

And also this one:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sexual-assault-bathroom-law_us_57190d25e4b0d912d5fdda6b ....from this article:

The problem in the story you present has little to do with trans-people and a whole lot to do with store staff not thinking critically about things. I would think that anyone behaving in a suspicious manner while loitering in a public bathroom should be approached by staff about what they're doing, regardless of what gender they are or what gender bathroom they're in.



You are conflating issues -- forcing transwomen out of women's bathrooms and transmen out of men's bathrooms (good luck with that, by the way, since you can't definitively tell if a person is transgendered or not when they're clothed -- and not even when they are unclothed, if they have had surgery) will not prevent male sexual predators from finding opportunities to prey on women, and it won't prevent them from trying to find ways into women's bathrooms, either.

Why should your being inconvenienced (or whatever the problem is) matter more than a transwoman being inconvenienced? Since when does being a minority mean you should have fewer rights than other people?

Also, many places don't have single-person unisex bathrooms so what's your solution there? For transwomen to use the men's bathrooms, where they may get beaten up and/or sexually assaulted? (Even if they are not perceived as transgendered on sight, how do you think they could explain why they were in the men's bathroom without outing themselves, if confronted by any men in the bathroom? The chances of anything more than verbal abuse being directed at them might be small, but are probably a lot bigger than the chances of an increase in the predatory behavior of male sex offenders caused solely by anti-discrimination laws allowing transwomen to use women's bathrooms)

If someone has to go to the bathroom just let them go.What if they have medical issuces that cause frequent urination.What about IBS? When mine kicks in I'm going in the closest bathroom,don't care if it's the men's room.Ive never once had had a man complain about it.
In my little podunk grocery store there are two bathrooms,each has a sign with a female/male symbol.I am totally fine with it.

Target's policy regards transgender people.

So, men, such as cross-dressers or gender-queer should be permitted into the women's bathroom.

I told you so!

Well, not you, specifically; but everyone I knew who claimed that not allowing trans-people to use the bathroom of their choice was somehow discriminatory.

All that any man has to do to invade a woman's bathroom - or a girl's bathroom - now is to "fem it up" and insist the he identifies as a woman.

Keep a firm grip on your daughters, moms, and never go to the bathroom alone!