Gorilla, Harambe shot dead to save 4 year old

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31 May 2016, 6:53 pm

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Seems to me The Gorilla had better parenting skills than the Mother.


I keep hearing people say this. The child was there with both parents, so why is it automatically the mother's fault?



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31 May 2016, 10:29 pm

My last times at Zoo , I have seen parents do terrifying things, like raise them overhead to see over the enclosure fencer to see Chimpanzees.
Meh. I was always considered a broody mother. Because I had my kids literally leashed to me if near water like beach, overly cautious around streets, malls.
It may be from an incidents I had witnessed over the years. Plus I have many subtle phobias. I sucked the fun out so they would be secure with little conflict .

Zoo safety should be no brainer. Even if there are nothing but bunnies in the pen, a drop of 10+ feet is more than enough to cause a death. : c
Though I don't remember children being zoo fatalities until the 80s. I wonder what has changed?


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01 Jun 2016, 12:22 am

Barchan wrote:
Aprilviolets wrote:
Seems to me The Gorilla had better parenting skills than the Mother.


I keep hearing people say this. The child was there with both parents, so why is it automatically the mother's fault?



Apparently because when you are a parent, you are to keep your eyes on your kid at all times, never take them off your kid. God forbid if you drop something on the ground and have to pick it up or when you have to attend to your other kid when they need something. :roll: People have no idea how quickly a kid can take off and how easy it is to get distracted by anything like I listed here already for example.


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01 Jun 2016, 12:50 am

I'm not sure if it is fair to place responsibility on the parents, I don't know what they were doing but unless they left the child totally unattended then they probably should not be charged with anything.



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01 Jun 2016, 6:03 am

I've seen a video of a guy getting the absolute crap beat out of him by some kinda monkey in a zoo, it was pretty rough to watch so it's the better option even though the animal isn't doing anything wrong if it attacks something that comes into its territory, I'd rather the defenseless kid not get crushed though so shooting it is the solution if the tranquilizer will take too long. I've also seen a lion maul a worker before and it took them about ten minutes to get a damn gun... somehow the guy survived but he was constantly being dragged and nibbled on. I wouldn't get too close to an enclosure lest I tumble in during a sudden earthquake or whatever. I might start carrying a water pistol filled with washing up liquid so I can blind any curious creatures that get too close to me.



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01 Jun 2016, 1:07 pm

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This is the first time they've had an incident at this Zoo in it's 140 year old history.



With Gorillas maybe, but not other animals.

"The March 2016 report documented an incident in which two polar bears got into a service hallway that was to be accessible only to zookeepers. The dangerous animal response team was able to quickly secure the area and use tranquillizer darts to subdue the bears.
Thane Maynard, the director of the Cincinnati Zoo, noted a zookeeper lost her arm in the incident."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/us/gorilla-shot-harambe/index.html

Good of him to "note" she lost her ******* arm.



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01 Jun 2016, 1:13 pm

Gorillas are such an unfathomably powerful animal, it really would just take a second for tragedy to happen. Think about how powerful chimpanzees are and gorillas are more twice the size of an adult fully grown chimp. Gorillas are a much less violent ape than chimps however, if the kid fell into a chimp enclosure it is very likely he could of been killed.



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01 Jun 2016, 9:21 pm

Seems like both were at fault.

The fence looked pathetic
The parents should have been watching the kid

Wouldn't have liked to be the shooter here. Either a perfect brain shot or the animal would probably have killed the kid if you miss such.



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02 Jun 2016, 4:25 pm

IMO, all zoos that have similar dangerous animal response teams should be better trained in order to avoid situations similar to what happened in Cincinatti.


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02 Jun 2016, 4:38 pm

The enclosure seems pretty typical of zoos I been to, I thought apes were afraid of water tho and wouldn't go into a moat, maybe it should of been deeper altho that might of been worse for the kid I dunno. Gorillas are pretty non-violent compared to other apes, if this was a chimp enclosure the kid probably would been dead.



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03 Jun 2016, 8:49 am

Kids soon learn not to leave their parents' side after they've been put over their parents' knee and spanked a few times for doing it. (If that's even necessary at all to get the message across.) By the age of four, this lesson should have long since been learned. I was hyperactive as a child and highly curious and fearless, but by the age of four I knew exactly what was expected of me. So of course it's the fault of the parents. I don't want to hear about how it's something that kids do as if it's something that is unpreventable. Reactive parents are generally bad parents. Proactive parents see to it that they won't have to react in the first place. I knew how I was supposed to behave and the consequences of not doing so.



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03 Jun 2016, 9:55 am

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BBC: Cincinnati zoo gorilla shot dead as boy falls into enclosure

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Zoo officials have shot dead a gorilla after a four-year-old boy fell into its enclosure in the US city of Cincinnati.
The boy climbed through a barrier and fell into a moat, where he was grabbed and dragged by the gorilla.
The zoo said it took action to shoot the 400lb (180kg) gorilla as the situation was "life-threatening". The boy is expected to recover.


Harambe was a 17-year-old male western lowland gorilla.

How a kid could get into this enclosure baffles me.


The barrier at the zoo was three feet high. Any healthy 4 year old could climb it. The zoo was clearly at fault here:

1. The barrier was insufficient

2. The zoo had the gorilla in the pit in the first place. It is not nice keeping sentient self-aware animals in a pit.


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03 Jun 2016, 10:30 am

the barrier had like a bush in between too right?

I don't think it is really fair to say it is insufficient and that they're at fault, that enclosure was probably decades old and nobody ever fell in before



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06 Jun 2016, 6:12 pm

I blame the mother for this. I saw the pics of the barrier----that kid had to climb a fence, go-through bushes, and jump down into the pit (I don't believe he fell-in). The mother had not, IMO, been paying attention, for awhile. Yeah, kids can get away from you fast, but climbing the fence would've slowed him down (all the things I've read / heard said he was 3), and put him into eyesight, more readily----there were all kinds of people around, someone would've said something.

Harambe didn't seem to be harming the child at all (that's not to say he couldn't have), and the child didn't seem to be distressed, in-the-least. The mother's reaction I have seen all-too-often..... I've seen toddlers walk across the floor and fall down, and not be the least bit concerned about the fall, until the stupid mother says: "Oh my poor baby----OMG----are you alright----OMG, you could've been hurt----are you alright----lemme see....." The MOTHER (in that quote) caused the child's distress, and the child immediately started crying and being scared. I heard the same thing in the mother's voice in her 9-1-1 call (in the incident with Harambe)----she was SO over-dramatic.

Also, I heard she had 3 other kids with her, and I can totally understand her attention being drawn-away----but, the kid DID say he wanted to go in there..... I'm thinking it was yet another person underestimating their child----"Oh, my child wouldn't do that.....".





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