BazzaMcKenzie wrote:
KimJ wrote:
Well, as far as pound puppies go, there are liberals that adopt pits and train them to be gentle.
are you one of those

lol
Apart from Chesapeakes and pack hounds (which I have only read about), I don't know any hunting dog breeds that are nasty. Ever come across a GSP that needs to be trained to be gentle?
Owned one, actually. My GSP b***h used to leap at people's shirts and hang from them as a puppy (nearly strangled me once--admittedly by accident), and she was quite dog-aggressive (which led to a lot of trouble when morons let their dogs come running up to my leashed dog, shouting "he's friendly!"--yeah, well, mine isn't). I've been attacked by half a dozen Labs, two Boxers, a Dalmatian, but never a pit bull--and I've known quite a few sweet pits.
There is a difference between dog aggression, human aggression, and animal aggression, guys. Hounds are a good case in point; they typically have very little to no human or dog aggression, but no one in their right mind trusts an unproven Greyhound, say, around the pet kitty. Similarly, APBTs (as a breed trained for dog-fighting) have historically been bred for dog aggression--but not human aggression. Until recently, they enjoyed a status as the "perfect family dog," and there was a pit bull character called Petey at the turn of the century who was as well-known as Rin Tin Tin or Lassie in his time, and for much of the same reasons. In fact, the Staffordshire Terrier (a closely related breed to the American Pit Bull Terrier) has acquired the nickname "the nanny dog" because the fact that they're less pain-sensitive means that when they're properly trained, they make excellent pets for toddlers because they are less likely to react poorly if a toddler harms them and more likely to be tolerant.
In America at least,
American Temperament Test Society results (the ATTS test disqualifies dogs for any sign of aggression, fearfulness (which can be dangerous) compare APBTs very comparably to other common breeds and far more favorably than some other breeds with similar sample sizes. Compare the APBT's pass rate last year of 84.1% (542 dogs tested) to that of the Golden Retriever's 83.8% (687 dogs tested), to that of the Shetland Sheepdog (67.3%, 487 dogs tested), to that of the Weimeraner (79.6% pass rate, 206 dogs tested). The overall pass rate was 81.5%, with roughly 27,000 dogs tested last year.
The problem with APBTs is mostly their reputation, which tends to attract a**holes who want a dog to look "tough" with or to make mean to scare others with or to fight. Where breed bans are passed, they simply move on to other breeds, which leaves responsible owners of the banned breed to take the punishment while the a**holes start to ruin another breed's reputation. I've also heard of Labs taking up that niche in the Denver area, by the way. So. Breed bans really aren't the answer, IMO; the best solution for vicious dogs is to pass vicious-dog laws--not breed laws.
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