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16 Jun 2019, 5:04 pm

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Fnord, I understand what you are saying, it goes back to, without one stopping and saying hey to you, you would deny that it's anything other than an illusion. That's why I brought up our knowledge now compared to a caveman, good luck convincing the caveman of all that we are capable of. Try to actually look into what the government is saying about them, I also heard a physicist talking about the military accounts that cannot be explained. Surely the military of US can tell a flock of birds from an object which seems to be intelligently operated which has the capability to move in ways which no scientist can explain with no visible observations of propulsion. It seems people would rather go out of their way, anything to deny that it is likely aliens. When I get a little more time, maybe tonight, I will search for information the government has released about them.

It was on FOX news lately, that the pentagon has admitted the thing many other people were already aware of that so many denied in just the same manner as the denial occurring now. It simply moved one step. People who think the government is hiding acknowledgement of UFO's are crazy, o, what's that, they just stated that they in fact have observed and studied(as much as you can an object you can't retrieve) UFO's for over 40 years? Apparently the people labeled as crazy or gullible weren't so crazy after all, being the government just admitted it. It's amazing how a lot of people operate. Anyway, I'll look into the knowledge released by the pentagon.
Again, none of this is evidence. You caveman analogy is not evidence. your suspicion of the government is not evidence. Your allegedly overheard conversation is not evidence. Your conflation of a flock of birds on radar and an alleged sighting is not evidence. Your argument from incredulity is not evidence. And certainly your lack of evidence is not evidence.

Fox News is not a reliable source of evidence. Studying accounts of alleged UFO sightings does not validate those alleged UFOs as extra-terrestrial in origin. The government only admitted they were studying the accounts, not confirming their alleged extra-terrestrial origins. Apparently, the people labelled as crazy or gullible for claiming UFOs are extra-terrestrial in origin may have also been intoxicated, stoned, disoriented, ignorant, or just plain lying.


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16 Jun 2019, 5:07 pm

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The accounts come from many sources, including our military and pilots, the most credible accounts our government has in which through the many years the have stated there are 7 consistent observable features. I don't know all of them, I would have to look them up, but I know the many accounts that are credible and were spotted with radar as well as visual accounts, the pilots all say they seem to be intelligently operated(rules out natural phenomena), they can go from stopping and hovering with no observable means, no jets, no wings, no helicopter blades, to darting off at speeds that seem impossible, keep in mind no visible means of propulsion. They have engaged with them, they seem to be able to easily out maneuver our jets, they have fired on them, no luck in coming close to hitting them. They seem to be able to seemingly vanish and reappear in other places. They can dart off into space, altitudes which our jets cannot follow, though with their speed it would be pointless to try because you would never catch them.

Please look them up and quote your sources with specific, easily-verifiable citations.


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16 Jun 2019, 5:08 pm

How do you think people should proceed if we were to adopt the notion that aliens are real?

I’m not adopting this notion until I’m presented with valid evidence that has been verified by credible sources which I don’t think will ever happen.

If it does, I hope the aliens don’t have a handbook titled: “How to Serve Man.”


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16 Jun 2019, 5:09 pm

I can tell. Like believing that humans on earth aren't capable of explaining such technology so surely it doesn't exist anywhere in the known universe. A lot of scientist also don't even think it's that possible that other intelligent life exists in the universe, like I said, they may as well believe God created the universe for people to exist on one little planet known as earth. I'm not saying it's a fact that they are aliens, I'm saying that more than likely that is the case...unless you just want to feel special and believe that earthlings are the most advanced creatures in the entire universe, I would logically state that is a very slim possibility, just as slim as God governs the universe and sends bad people to hell.



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16 Jun 2019, 5:09 pm

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Nothing I have seen indicates that these magical craft actually exist. And by the logic of "if this is a hidden earth superpower why haven't done anything yet," "if this is the work of aliens why haven't they done anything yet?"
So the pentagon doesn't know what they are talking about? Did you read the articles? They are definitely real and our government seems to be worried about the situation, thinking they are possibly crafts from another country.
While some of the alleged sightings may have been of real objects, there is no evidence to support the claim that any of those objects was extra-terrestrial in origin.

Are you one of those people who also believes that every suspect is guilty of a crime simply because they are being questioned by the police?


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16 Jun 2019, 5:11 pm

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How do you think people should proceed if we were to adopt the notion that aliens are real? I’m not adopting this notion until I’m presented with valid evidence that has been verified by credible sources which I don’t think will ever happen...
Ditto. However, if a real space-alien were to invite me aboard an interstellar spacecraft, he/she/it/whatever had better not be staring at my butt!


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16 Jun 2019, 5:15 pm

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How do you think people should proceed if we were to adopt the notion that aliens are real? I’m not adopting this notion until I’m presented with valid evidence that has been verified by credible sources which I don’t think will ever happen...
Ditto. However, if a real space-alien were to invite me aboard an interstellar spacecraft, he/she/it/whatever had better not be staring at my butt!


One should never accept such an invitation because various medical experiments will be performed on you, including (but not limited to) a rectal probe.

That’s at least how I’ve heard these things tend to go...


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16 Jun 2019, 5:17 pm

Fnord, is any suspect innocent simply because a court couldn't prove them guilty? Clearly some people beat the system, we do have a good system but people who aren't guilty end up going to prison just as people who are guilty go free. So by the court system theory, you must believe that all court rulings are 100% accurate, no innocent people have ever gone to prison and no person which was guilty has ever been deemed innocent? I have to eat soon. I will just look into it more to let all of you know what the pentagon has stated about the situation, though by the looks of things I doubt that will change anyone's mind. Absolute denial is what it appears to be, like I said, to a lot of people it seems impossible until proven beyond a doubt even though in all sense of logical thinking it definitely likely possibility.



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16 Jun 2019, 5:29 pm

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Nothing I have seen indicates that these magical craft actually exist. And by the logic of "if this is a hidden earth superpower why haven't done anything yet," "if this is the work of aliens why haven't they done anything yet?"
So the pentagon doesn't know what they are talking about? Did you read the articles? They are definitely real and our government seems to be worried about the situation, thinking they are possibly crafts from another country.
While some of the alleged sightings may have been of real objects, there is no evidence to support the claim that any of those objects was extra-terrestrial in origin.

Are you one of those people who also believes that every suspect is guilty of a crime simply because they are being questioned by the police?


Just to point out this last one, there is also not one shred of evidence that it's technology from a foreign power on earth either, people can still use logic to attempt the best possibility as to explain, a hypothesis. Logically connecting dots. Like for example, would you believe that throughout the universe we are the smartest creatures to ever exist? What kind of advancements do you think we could make in physics given 100,000 years on the same course we are on? I can use reasonable thinking to suggest by 100,000 years our physics could be evolved to a degree we couldn't even imagine in current times. Being we went from caveman to the knowledge we have today in 10,000 years. Do you really think that in just 10,000 years man has mastered the universe and knows what is possible and what is not in the millions of years to come?



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16 Jun 2019, 5:32 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... 00c7d77d5d

One of the two guys that seem to be the main sources of this. Interestingly neither of them still work at the Pentagon. And the program they worked for was discontinued in 2012.

Furthermore if we check out the two videos, the bottom one specifies that in the Black mode "Hot items are black and cold items are white." The reverse is true in the white mode. In that video the unidentified object is white against a black background indicating it is hot. You can also see whitish clouds indicating these are also "hot."

In the first video on the ocean the sensor is in black mode and the object is white against a blackish ocean. This would indicate that the ocean is hot, while the object is cold.

Common sense dictates these are not the same type of object.


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16 Jun 2019, 6:02 pm

Yes I habe seen things classed as UFO's and yes, after a lot of thinking and research, and living in an area where things are tested, I know what things are and how they were done. So I don't need to go any further...

Think about this. To me there are three possibilities.
1. That they are manmade experiments. (Most fit into this catagory).
2. They are spiritual things. (A few fit into this catagory).
3. They come from outside our planet in a physical way. (I have never come accross this and I don't believe it is true, as so far every event (And there have been many) that I have seen have been in the first two catagories, the first one being nearly all of the time, and what isn't was on the spiritual level.


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16 Jun 2019, 9:13 pm

These UFOs in question military pilots are encountering have two things in common according to reports.

Their speed and maneuvering is way beyond any current aircraft technology.

Their designs are completely unlike any current aircraft or prototype.

I like the description one fighter pilot gave of a cube inside a sphere.

I enjoy this s**t, why should the 90s have all the fun?



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17 Jun 2019, 4:14 am

"Pentagon admits that sometimes there are things in the sky that we haven't yet determined what they are or where they came from"

Well, I feel enlightened and vindicated.


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17 Jun 2019, 5:59 am

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"Pentagon admits that sometimes there are things in the sky that we haven't yet determined what they are or where they came from"

Well, I feel enlightened and vindicated.


Birds?


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17 Jun 2019, 6:51 am

i've seen 3 of the things in my life- once in the summer of 2007, i was wearing my spring suit and sitting at a picnic table at the local park located about a mile east of mcchord AFB, when a light up high in the late afternoon sky, caught my attention, it was a silvery or chrome-like ball about 75 degrees up in the sky, about the apparent size of a small pea or large BB at arm's length, reflected everything brilliantly and at times almost disappeared against the clear blue sky. it was moving in an easterly direction at a speed i couldn't determine as i had no idea how high it was, also could not judge its size, but i knew it was not one of those shiny Mylar balloons as it was a perfect globe shape and was moving faster than one of those would be floating in a relatively breeze-less sky. then all at once the sky was tore up by the shrieking roar of 3 jet fighter planes coming from the base to the east, that did a 3-part zoom [i don't know the military term] where one zoomed straight forward, one curved to the left and the remaining one curved to the right, it was deafening [afterburners?] and the object, whatever it was, briefly appeared to zoom upwards, then just winked out of existence. nobody else on the beach seemed the least bit curious about the spectacle, they were frolicking about in the water and lazing on the shore as if nothing happened.
several years later, i witnessed, several months apart, two others that looked identical to the 2007 sighting, only there were no jet fighters screaming across the sky seemingly in response. the first sighting was in the springtime, at about 8:45 at night, in the northwestern sky at about a 45 degree angle up high, well above the treeline , i was walking home and i saw "it" was flying towards the southeast, roughly in my direction but not at me. after about 2 minutes or so it curved sharply to its left and at a higher rate of speed took off to the northeast where i watched it disappear into the dusky mist in the distance towards the distant tree line. the 3rd sighting took place in the same locations and same directions but at 9:30 at night, later in the summer. this time, a piper cub-like single engine plane appeared to fly across the path of this sky object, the plane was close enough to identify, and generated noise, i am guesstimating the object was a ways higher than the airplane, maybe by at least a few hundred feet. i don't know if the airplane up there noticed anything amiss. i determined both objects were not anything like satellites [which don't change directions and usually are not visible in the afternoon in the case of the first sighting. these things did not behave like any earth aircraft that i've ever seen, yet they both glowed brightly somehow with a silvery light. they made no noise and appeared to have no windows which emitted light nor any running lights. just perfectly reflective chrome ball shapes. they were not Venus or swamp gas. :roll: i know WTF i saw up there. i reported each one to the Mutual UFO network.



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17 Jun 2019, 9:55 am

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UFOs Are Real: MSNBC Dylan Ratigan Show with Michio Kaku


I can't find official pentagon statements, it was released to (a) journalist(s). He explains it well in this video from a few years ago. The problem with people in 100% denial is anyone who may have been extremely credible will automatically be deemed not credible the second they mention UFO's. If people retire from our military or defense agencies their background becomes irrelevant to deniers. When I say deniers I mean people who suspect the possibility that all of the professionals and pilots are high, doesn't recognize flocks of birds or some other completely absurd comment, they will use any absurd reasoning to deny any level of possibility. While they may say it's possible they are real objects or possibly aliens do exist, they will often hold that possibility equivalent to the possibility God exists. If there were nothing to UFO sightings by the military, why would they at any point hide the fact that they do look into the accounts? The are clearly not illusions or flocks of birds, flocks of birds are identified flying objects so it sounds rather absurd when people make comments like that and I know they will continue. The US government is not the only government that makes these UFO claims, they seem to be reported globally and have been for centuries. It's just shocking how some people think to me. That's pretty much all I can say about that, seems some people have a lot of issues connecting simple dots and speculating, some always fall to the absurd conclusions; it's nearly impossible for any other form of intelligence to exist within this massive universe, no intelligent life form could figure out means of travel to get around the universe...if humans can't do it no one can, we will never learn anything that may make that possible even in hundreds of thousands of years. They make conflicting arguments, on one hand...there is no reason to even think of that possibility until it can be 'proven' otherwise. The idea that someone could actually believe that our science will never lead us to a place where we will be capable of doing things would would currently deem as impossible seems rather absurd to me. That is why I use the caveman comparison, to me someone who suggests that is like the caveman suggesting that nothing like a cell phone, the internet or computers will ever exist, stuck in the caveman thinking patterns with the arrogance to think that discovery could never lead to doing thing we would now deem impossible, even within hundreds of thousands of years. There is evidence everywhere, people just choose to be arrogant enough to deem every shred up it as fake.

O yea, and if there were nothing to the government acknowledgement and investigations of the sightings, why would the information be classified. Doesn't make sense to classify make believe does it?