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20 Nov 2021, 12:02 am

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Nicholas Sandmann reaches out to Kyle Rittenhouse
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/11/17/n ... sue-media/

First hint that Sandmann became a teen millionaire from suing the Washington post and encourages Rittenhouse to do the same.


Thanks for that. :heart:
I hope he does sue the pants off the suckers. 8)


I am curious to see if George Zimmerman will be interviewed? his case was very similar.



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20 Nov 2021, 12:04 am

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nicholas Sandmann reaches out to Kyle Rittenhouse
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/11/17/n ... sue-media/

First hint that Sandmann became a teen millionaire from suing the Washington post and encourages Rittenhouse to do the same.


Thanks for that. :heart:
I hope he does sue the pants off the suckers. 8)


I am curious to see if George Zimmerman will be interviewed? his case was very similar.


I didn't follow that case.
I am sorry, now, that it took me so long to get into the Rittenhouse thread.



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20 Nov 2021, 12:07 am

Sandmann become a media celebrity being interviewed following the Rittenhouse verdict on Fox news



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20 Nov 2021, 12:15 am

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That being said, it was disheartening to see the traditional defender of due process behaving in such an egregiously tribal manner when it came to this case, I almost couldn't believe it when the ACLU came out saying that Rittenhouse's rights got too much deference:

https://reason.com/2021/11/19/kyle-ritt ... -liberals/

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Perhaps it's not surprising that activists and Democratic politicians would reflexively cite white supremacy in a trial outcome that disappoints Team Blue. More troubling is the response to the verdict from an organization that should know better: the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). In a statement reacting to the verdict, ACLU-Wisconsin Interim Executive Director Shaadie Ali lamented the "deep roots of white supremacy" in Kenosha that prevented Rittenhouse from being "held responsible for his actions."

"Kyle Rittenhouse was a juvenile who traveled across state lines on a vigilante mission, was allowed by police to roam the streets of Kenosha with an assault rifle and ended up shooting three people and killing two," said Brandon Buskey, director of the ACLU's Criminal Law Reform Project. "These are the simple, tragic facts. His acquittal comes after an ACLU investigation exposing how Kenosha law enforcement used violence against protesters and drove them toward white militia groups, in ways that escalated tensions and almost certainly led to these shootings."

In a Twitter thread, the ACLU complained that Rittenhouse was not held accountable for his "conscious decision to travel across state lines and injure one person and take the lives of two people protesting the shooting of Jacob Blake by police."

Of course, it is not illegal to travel across state lines; the fact that Rittenhouse wandered outside the boundaries of his home and entered a neighboring municipality was irrelevant to the case. The jury did not agree with—and the facts of the case did not support—the claim that his decision to shoot three people was "conscious" in the sense that it was premeditated. He argued that he rationally believed his life was in imminent danger, and the surviving shooting victim provided testimony that supported this argument.

One might have expected that an organization dedicated to the preservation of civil liberties would not so cavalierly take the side of prosecutors against the concept of self-defense. In the past, the ACLU has done terrific work shining a light on prosecutorial misconduct—the tremendous power the state has to stack the deck against defendants. The ACLU purports to believe that all people, even the guilty, deserve due process protections. The organization is evidently outraged by the verdict: Is the ACLU outraged that the prosecutor tried to argue that Rittenhouse exercising his Miranda rights was evidence of his guilt?


The correctness of the verdict and acceptance of how the situation evolved are two different items to me. There is a framework inside the ACLU statement that I agree with: the situation would not have evolved as it did if Rittenhouse had been a black youth instead of a white youth. The likely disparate evolution can be seen from how he was treated as he arrived with the AR15, how the police assumed he wasn't the shooter when he tried to surrender, how much money was raised for his defense, on through the ability to have his self-defense claim validated. It's a charge against the unfairness of the system, not the outcome of the one trial; not blame to the result for Rittenhouse, but for all the results that aren't the same because the defendent was of color.


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20 Nov 2021, 12:20 am

Pepe wrote:
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Nicholas Sandmann reaches out to Kyle Rittenhouse
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/11/17/n ... sue-media/

First hint that Sandmann became a teen millionaire from suing the Washington post and encourages Rittenhouse to do the same.


Thanks for that. :heart:
I hope he does sue the pants off the suckers. 8)


I have a ton of trouble with anyone trying to make the two cases and teens seem at all alike. Two dead at Rittenhouse's hands was actual news, and not at all like being smeared over what was read as a smirk. When did the news irresponsibly report with Rittenhouse? Differences of opinion and perception are allowed.


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20 Nov 2021, 12:24 am

Had Rittenhouse killed 2 POC, I don't think he would be free now.
I would bet Fnord's left testicle on that. 8)



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20 Nov 2021, 12:28 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nicholas Sandmann reaches out to Kyle Rittenhouse
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/11/17/n ... sue-media/

First hint that Sandmann became a teen millionaire from suing the Washington post and encourages Rittenhouse to do the same.


Thanks for that. :heart:
I hope he does sue the pants off the suckers. 8)


I have a ton of trouble with anyone trying to make the two cases and teens seem at all alike. Two dead at Rittenhouse's hands was actual news, and not at all like being smeared over what was read as a smirk. When did the news irresponsibly report with Rittenhouse? Differences of opinion and perception are allowed.


Uncle Joe called Rittenhouse "A White Supremacist".
OOPS! 8O



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20 Nov 2021, 12:48 am

Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nicholas Sandmann reaches out to Kyle Rittenhouse
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/11/17/n ... sue-media/

First hint that Sandmann became a teen millionaire from suing the Washington post and encourages Rittenhouse to do the same.


Thanks for that. :heart:
I hope he does sue the pants off the suckers. 8)


I have a ton of trouble with anyone trying to make the two cases and teens seem at all alike. Two dead at Rittenhouse's hands was actual news, and not at all like being smeared over what was read as a smirk. When did the news irresponsibly report with Rittenhouse? Differences of opinion and perception are allowed.


Uncle Joe called Rittenhouse "A White Supremacist".
OOPS! 8O


When?

Politicians should be more careful and precise choosing their terms. Biden is known for his gaffs, but making one at the cost of a teen is pretty bad.

Anyway. I believe Rittenhouse has accepted money from and/or had communication with White Supremacist groups after his arrest, so while I am not aware of any evidence he IS one, he hasn't made a point of disassociating himself (that I'm aware of), either, which created quite a bit of confusion on the question early on, and will make sustaining any liable claims difficult.


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20 Nov 2021, 12:57 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nicholas Sandmann reaches out to Kyle Rittenhouse
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/11/17/n ... sue-media/

First hint that Sandmann became a teen millionaire from suing the Washington post and encourages Rittenhouse to do the same.


Thanks for that. :heart:
I hope he does sue the pants off the suckers. 8)


I have a ton of trouble with anyone trying to make the two cases and teens seem at all alike. Two dead at Rittenhouse's hands was actual news, and not at all like being smeared over what was read as a smirk. When did the news irresponsibly report with Rittenhouse? Differences of opinion and perception are allowed.


Uncle Joe called Rittenhouse "A White Supremacist".
OOPS! 8O


When?

Politicians should be more careful and precise choosing their terms. Biden is known for his gaffs, but making one at the cost of a teen is pretty bad.

Anyway. I believe Rittenhouse has accepted money from White Supremacist groups, so while I am not aware of any evidence he IS one, he hasn't made a point of disassociating himself (that I'm aware of), either, which created quite a bit of confusion on the question early on, and will make sustaining any liable claims difficult.


Where is Brictoria when you need him? :scratch:
I might search for it later.

Uncle Joe also indicated he thought Chauvin was guilty before the trial had a verdict.
He has form here.
"Silly old bugger", comes to mind. :mrgreen:

I would accept money from the devil himself to avoid Fnord being happy with my incarceration. :mrgreen:



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20 Nov 2021, 1:07 am

A lot of peolple seem to really hate the justice system because of this, but I mean is there really a better type of system out there? It seems to me that 12 people deciding UNANIMOUSLY, is the best system you can get. Or maybe there should be an entire new better system?

I just hate how mobs outside the court threaten the jury, judge, etc, and I feel that people should just respect the judicial process, as there is no better system that could be in place. Unless I am wrong?



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20 Nov 2021, 1:10 am

ironpony wrote:
A lot of peolple seem to really hate the justice system because of this, but I mean is there really a better type of system out there? It seems to me that 12 people deciding UNANIMOUSLY, is the best system you can get. Or maybe there should be an entire new better system?

I just hate how mobs outside the court threaten the jury, judge, etc, and I feel that people should just respect the judicial process, as there is no better system that could be in place. Unless I am wrong?


This is the American way, today, so it seems.
No respect for due process. 8)



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20 Nov 2021, 1:11 am

Interesting piece of trivia:
According to the jury decisions which have been filed and published, the verdicts were decided by the jury in the following order:
November 17:
"Jump kick man"
Mr Huber

November 18:
Mr Grosskreutz

November 19:
Mr Rossenbaum
Mr McGinniss

This suggests the jury saw the 2 sites as seperate, unconnected incidents, rather than the second being reliant on the outcome of the first.

Trying to track down images of them: They were shown during a recent stream by Rekieta Law.



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20 Nov 2021, 1:14 am

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Rittenhouse lawyer slams Biden for calling teen ‘white supremacist’

https://nypost.com/2021/11/19/rittenhou ... premacist/



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20 Nov 2021, 1:15 am

Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Nicholas Sandmann reaches out to Kyle Rittenhouse
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/11/17/n ... sue-media/

First hint that Sandmann became a teen millionaire from suing the Washington post and encourages Rittenhouse to do the same.


Thanks for that. :heart:
I hope he does sue the pants off the suckers. 8)


I have a ton of trouble with anyone trying to make the two cases and teens seem at all alike. Two dead at Rittenhouse's hands was actual news, and not at all like being smeared over what was read as a smirk. When did the news irresponsibly report with Rittenhouse? Differences of opinion and perception are allowed.


Uncle Joe called Rittenhouse "A White Supremacist".
OOPS! 8O


When?

Politicians should be more careful and precise choosing their terms. Biden is known for his gaffs, but making one at the cost of a teen is pretty bad.

Anyway. I believe Rittenhouse has accepted money from White Supremacist groups, so while I am not aware of any evidence he IS one, he hasn't made a point of disassociating himself (that I'm aware of), either, which created quite a bit of confusion on the question early on, and will make sustaining any liable claims difficult.


Where is Brictoria when you need him? :scratch:
I might search for it later.


Ask and you may receive... Will this do for a start?
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Kyle Rittenhouse is officially in a presidential ad by Joe Biden as an example of “white supremacists” who President Trump “refused to disavow.”

“There’s no other way to put it: the President of the United States refused to disavow white supremacists on the debate stage last night,” Mr. Biden tweeted Wednesday after his presidential debate in Cleveland.

The 17-year-old Rittenhouse was charged with first degree intentional homicide and other charges in Kenosha, Wisconsin, during looting and riots after shooting three men who pursued him; Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, died during the confrontation.

Source: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/30/biden-links-kyle-rittenhouse-to-white-supremacists/



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20 Nov 2021, 1:16 am

Beat ya...
Just. :mrgreen:



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20 Nov 2021, 1:24 am

What I don't understand about this case, and situation is that it seems that poltically, the republicans believe that Kyle defending himself against being assaulted is good, where as the a lot of the democrats do not believe so it seems.

I am neither of those two political idealogies I don't think when I say this, but I do not understand why democrats are for being pacifist when being assaulted, with the possibly of being killed from the assault. Why be pacifist, or what is with that idealogy exactly?