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16 Dec 2021, 11:46 pm

Source: https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1469446902768934912
Survey details - https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/december_2021/election_integrity_most_gop_voters_still_think_biden_cheated

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16 Dec 2021, 11:58 pm

Brictoria wrote:

In other words, the people who want us to believe election integrity is a problem have sold it well.

But it’s not reality.

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17 Dec 2021, 12:02 am

A quick check of the source used by Brictoria

Rasmussen Reports is an American conservative polling company founded in 2003. The company engages in political commentary and the collection, publication, and distribution of public opinion polling information.

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17 Dec 2021, 12:04 am

VegetableMan wrote:

I think the more important issue to discuss before voter fraud and voter supression is the fact that system is rigged against any decent candidate from rising to the top. They have no chance. The oligarchs choose who we vote for -- the primaries are a joke.

It really doesn't make too much difference who wins if both candidates suck, does it? In other words, it makes no sense having half the conversation.

If only the rest of America would wake up.

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17 Dec 2021, 12:18 am

DW_a_mom wrote:

It may all be related.

The powerful discover they can't win elections if people see them as they actually are and what they actually stand for, so they try to control the system. That seems to be where conservatives are today. Not to say today's liberals wouldn't do the same if they were as smart about the game and currently proposing less popular ideas, but the structural changes being made to protect a certain class of candidates against the will of the people are currently being made by conservatives.

I have trouble believe the institutional DNC cares as much about winning as it does pleasing the same class of people as the Republicans. They are very smart when it comes to sabotaging progressives. They get the whole media to help them out. Then they always have just enough rotating villains to select as an excuse for doing nothing.

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As for why there are no good candidates, wow that gets complicated. I think, among other things, that we've forgotten there are no perfect people. We let campaigns win when they focus our attention on every little flaw of the opposition candidate. We quickly write off people for traits that have nothing to do with the job they would be asked to do. And we live in a media environment that encourages crazies to crawl out the woodwork and make life miserable for anyone who gains public stature. It takes an amazing thick skin to want to run for office today.

Money and self interest is the short answer. It selects for technocrats without conviction on the DNC side... while allowing ideologues to rule the right. This tilts the entire system in favor of the ultra-wealthy.

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The expense of campaigns most likely also plays in. Once they hold office, federal elected officials have to spend more of their time building their funding for their next run than they spend actually governing.

Which is ridiculous. Nobody who is just struggling to get by can afford to give them money. They only get money from comfortable or extremely wealthy people, then they feel obligated to please them at the expense of the rest.

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But that doesn't change the fact that in the short term, just over the past year, we've seen significant legislative changes at the state level designed to suppress voting. At least fixing that shouldn't require a wholesale cultural evolution.

I predict more unrest at some point. Maybe a civil war. The BS just gets worse and worse and Democrats refuse to grow a spine and fight back.

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17 Dec 2021, 12:26 am

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It's amazing how you can instantly "research" something like this, yet are incapable of research - while attacking the information supplied (and those who supply it) - in almost every other situation. A cynical person could consider this an indication that those attacks were merely an indication you had done research, found it not to your favor, and so wanted it concealed...

Here's the survey questions, by the way:

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National Survey of 1,000 U.S. Likely Voters

Conducted December 7-8, 2021
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How important is it to prevent cheating in elections?

2* Is requiring photo ID to vote a reasonable measure to protect the integrity of elections?

3* Did Joe Biden win the 2020 presidential election fairly?

Source: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/questions/questions/december_2021/questions_election_integrity_december_7_8_2021

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17 Dec 2021, 12:40 am

Brictoria wrote:

A cynical person could consider this an indication that those attacks were merely an indication you had done research, found it not to your favor, and so wanted it concealed...

You do realise that the extract I pulled is from their website?

A simple google search also reveals that Rasmussen Reports are described as "biased and inaccurate", saying Rasmussen "badly missed the margin in many states, and also exhibited a considerable bias toward Republican candidates."

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17 Dec 2021, 12:56 am

cyberdad wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

A cynical person could consider this an indication that those attacks were merely an indication you had done research, found it not to your favor, and so wanted it concealed...

You do realise that the extract I pulled is from their website?

You mean this page:

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FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions)

What Our Wikipedia Page Should Tell You

Read more about our Wikipedia page Research & Recovery project – here.

What Is Rasmussen Reports?

Rasmussen Reports is a nonpartisan independent electronic data company specializing in the collection and publication of public opinion polling information. The company conducts national tracking surveys five nights a week on political, economic and lifestyle issues. Additional polls on state elections and other topics are routinely added to the mix.

Rasmussen Reports' work is followed by millions on a wide variety of media platforms. We regularly release our results at RasmussenReports.com, America's most visited public opinion website, and through a daily email newsletter, Twitter and Facebook. “If it’s in the news, it’s in our polls” is more than our slogan. It’s how we do business.

Is Rasmussen Reports Affiliated With a Particular Political Philosophy or Party?

Rasmussen Reports is an independent polling firm with a bi-partisan staff. We do not endorse any political philosophies, parties or special interest groups. Importantly, unlike other polling firms, Rasmussen Reports does not contribute money to candidates or political parties or groups.

Source: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/about_us/refaqs

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17 Dec 2021, 12:58 am

i just don't grok those who say there "ain't a dollar's worth of difference between a GOPer and a democrat" when in fact they could not be more dissimilar. it isn't the democrats who systematically have been trying to deprive my class of affordable health care, it isn't the democrats who have been sticking their hypocritical blue noses into my bedroom and telling women they can't have abortions or birth control. it isn't the democrats who routinely poo-poo gun massacres and try to deprive me of my right to vote via a bunch of obstructive new laws.

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17 Dec 2021, 1:33 am

Brictoria wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

A cynical person could consider this an indication that those attacks were merely an indication you had done research, found it not to your favor, and so wanted it concealed...

You do realise that the extract I pulled is from their website?

You mean this page:

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Source: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/about_us/refaqs

A different page that summarises who they are and what they do.

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17 Dec 2021, 1:53 am

cyberdad wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

A cynical person could consider this an indication that those attacks were merely an indication you had done research, found it not to your favor, and so wanted it concealed...

You do realise that the extract I pulled is from their website?

You mean this page:

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Source: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/about_us/refaqs

A different page that summarises who they are and what they do.

Interesting that neither google, nor DDG can find that quote on the site you claim it is on...

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Rasmussen Reports is an American conservative polling company founded in 2003. The company engages in political commentary and the collection, publication, and distribution of public opinion polling information.

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You do realise that the extract I pulled is from their website?

Given you found it so quickly, it shouldn't be difficult to retrieve a link from your browser history - I can't find anything resembling that on their site, so would be interested to see the source, given you "pulled it from their website"... It looks more like you've simply copy-pasted from Wikipedia and have been misleading (intentionally or otherwise) on the source.

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17 Dec 2021, 4:10 am

Brictoria wrote:

There's a few websites linked to google that question the impartiality/bona fides of this source.

Here's one
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-america ... o-gop-bias

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17 Dec 2021, 4:41 am

cyberdad wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

There's a few websites linked to google that question the impartiality/bona fides of this source.

Here's one
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-america ... o-gop-bias

Those are rather easy to find...I was specifically asking about this statement, though:

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You do realise that the extract I pulled is from their website?

I still haven't found the specific quote anywhere on their website (which was what I asking about) and was looking for the specific link to the page you had visited there to get the extract you quoted and attributed to the site.

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17 Dec 2021, 5:11 am

cyberdad wrote:

I choose not to look up the source because I found it irrelevant to my point.

Nor is the battle about the accuracy of what you found relevant to me.

I’m talking about the reality that our elections are secure, while the claims they are not are sold to the public for insidious reasons.

Brictoria’s poll can, then, only prove that (what I believe is) an insidious and self-serving sales campaign works.

An opinion poll isn’t proof of actual election issues. It’s only an indication of what people believe.

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17 Dec 2021, 8:43 pm

Brictoria wrote:

Those are rather easy to find...I was specifically asking about this statement, though:

cyberdad wrote:

You do realise that the extract I pulled is from their website?

It's a summary statement that pops up when you type Rasmussen reports in google, I assumed it was from their website but it might be pulled from any website.

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17 Dec 2021, 8:46 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:

Actually I wasn't responding to you when I posted information about Brictoria's source.

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