Animal cruelty may lead to human violence

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Ben, everyone has to eat, and in places like America, that's taken for granted, you know? What I speak about is how people put themselves on a separate plane of existance, like they think that god magically made them superior to all animalia, and that those animals are here for our good only: to eat, wear, ride, abuse, etc.. I group this with ideology with Abrahamic notions. All you have to worry about in your lifetime is the trangressions you encounter with your fellow man. Whereas in Dharmic religions (and pagan), you have to worry about all in the kingdom of god, animals, earth, and people. Do you see what I mean? This thought worries me about how the powers that be are controlling and destroying the future of our planet, and our children.

I see how this group think establishes how we approach rapist and murderers too. But I doubt a Dharmic believer, who believes he is no different than a cow, for example, could beat a rape a person because all life is mundane. What scares me more is a christian personally who thinks because he knows the ten commandments is immune to such complex-compulsive behavior. Does that make any sense?

Parakeet, you changed the message that started this thread. I understand why you deleted one link because two of those links went to the same source, different page, but deleting the HSUS link makes it look like I responded to something that you didn't mention. Could you please put a note in there saying that you linked to the HSUS and removed it?

There may be some kind of "link" between animal abuse and human abuse, and it does seem logical, but where do you think we should go with this? I don't feel like snitching out my neighbor if I see something that I think might be abusive. Do you want everyone to do

this?

One million people each watching the rest of us and snitching us out to the ASPCA for real or imaginary acts of cruelty. Do you dream of something like that to end cruelty? Constant surveillance, create a big enough threat, and give every busybody in America a vehicle to use against neighbors who they don't like? Every right humans have is sub to the drive against animal cruelty, isn't it?

For most Americans anyway, but not all and not always. When I was living away from my parents and working for McDonald's I barely ate much more than Ramen noodles and avocados. My point however was that the materials/chemicals are terrestrial for the most part.



The way I see it is that all animals have souls, sort of like we do, only ours is of a similar nature to God's own Spirit. My birds think, speak, have emotions and opinions, etc and I think they have an eternal soul. In the oldest document in the Bible, Genesis 1:1-2:3, animals are described as being נפשׁ החיה Nephesh Chayah or livings souls (sometimes translated as "living creatures" but Nephesh isn't related to the word for "create" which is Bara.) Also of interest is that God commanded the animals: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. (Genesis 1:30 KJV) Which implies their (at least previous) ability to comprehend and pass down knowledge, which I see as still existent in my cockatiels and possibly in other herbivorous creatures.



As for myself, I intend to be a vegan/fruitarian when I lastly leave my parents house and am finally financially independent although sadly I am omnivorous currently. When I tried being vegan before I had no support and a lot of flak. Many Christians get highly offended if you try to eat a Biblically Kosher diet, as I try to do currently. Some antisemitic Christians even question if I'm Jewish just because I have an untrimmed beard. I wouldn't mind if I were born Jewish, I'd still be or become a Christian, but no, I'm French and Irish and it gets annoying.

Biblically, in an original sense, humans were designed to be herbivorous: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. (Genesis 1:29 KJV)
(Please note that "meat" in Middle English referred to food generally and not {unfortunately "just"} to the muscles, organs, etc. of fellow living creatures.) God had intended the world to be without death and violence, and I believe He doesn't delight in it ever for He is unchanging.

Technologically, currently at least, we no longer need to use leather for much if anything. Transportation, however, is a non issue; I personally see nothing wrong with a horse or mule being employed in such a manner if they are friends of the payload/driver. After oil is exhausted, we may need to revert back to animal based transportation; besides, they're far more efficient chemically than automobiles, have virtually no pollution, waste is usable for plants to a degree, last longer than cars, and they will exist anyway. Being employed and being "used and abused" are two different things (unless you work for Wal-Mart...)



I request that you regroup it with a set of the followers of this class of religion. I am in the minority of Christians who have actually read the Bible, particularly from beginning to end straight through which pastors advise you not to for fear you may become *gasp* Jewish! I found it better and more enlightening to see the New Testament through the eyes of the Tanakh; I could see the references and Messianic prophecies more completely and also found it interesting to read and see the change in culture and political and physical geography over the course of the 4090 some-odd year writing span. Most Christians don't even read their Bibles, maybe bits and pieces but not the whole sum; they're content to be ignorant and accept whatever their pastor tells them (at least until they're old enough to leave or whatnot.)

BTW, I would consider myself in a solitary class of Messianic Christianity in terms of my personal views although, and you may rightfully call me a hypocrite in this area, I just try to blend in as much as possible at Churches I go to because I'm lonely for fellowship and don't like arguing with other believers or being an outcast.

Also, you must consider the level of Rabbinicism that occurs in both Christianity and Judaism: whether they quote from Luther, Akiba, Calvin, Rashi Ben Yoseph, Grudem, the Talmud, Matthew Henry, etc. they always seem to hold it higher than the original source; sort of like playing an annoying paraphrasing game of telephone where the original message is virtually lost.



Incorrect here. Mosaic law addresses issues of animal treatment; not a whole lot admittedly, but more than none. Also Solomon says: A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel. (Proverbs 12:10 KJV) (again, please look past the Middle English.) Most Christians may not be concerned about animal treatment, mainly due the the humanistic stigma associated with it, but I am concerned at least and would do something if it were correct and in my power to do so. I don't know about all Jewish people, but a bit of animal rights movies have been produced and directed by Jews which may say something or may not.



The philosophies of Buddha and associated religions of the East may have agreeable consequences, but I'm not going to accept them on that ground.



Basically that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam don't teach peaceful harmony with Creation but that Buddhism, Taoism, and Hinduism do, and thus the latter are better than the former.

Is that correct?



This statement is ambiguous. Could have lots of meanings, I'm not sure which one you mean.



Depends whether he sees beating cows as acceptable or not. I'm sure the religious and the preachers would say things against it, as all politicians do, but you have to deal with people on an individual basis and make as few assumptions of association as possible.



Most Christians think Sunday is the Shabbat and that Christmas and Easter are Biblical holidays. I don't think I'm immune and all of us have to fight temptation in order to overcome. Christ has given us Salvation if we choose to accept His final Sacrifice, but our personal battles with sin are far from over.



To a degree, yes. But it needs revision.

For me, I have accepted Christianity because I perceive it as the only valid option. However, if Islam, even as repulsive as it IS, were that option, then I would be forced by logic to accept it. Truth, as I see it at the very least, is independent of opinion and preconceived notions.

To argue that the proposed benefits of accepting a certain philosophy/religion makes any difference as to its validity is a variant of appealing to consequences.

I have spent five hours writing this, so I'm sorry if you find it a bit long for eye-monitor contact.

I'm only concerned with the statistical linkage, not the proposed actions. Although I'm for free-university education and national health care, I'm highly opposed to a government with too much power dictating when we need to use the restroom.

I think it is cool that you responded and spent nearly five hours on your analysis. You didn't have to do that. I think it is cool that you are becoming a vegetarian/vegan after you leave home. I did that for half a year, and I became a stick n' bones. It didn't last too long though, my family got mad at me for doing it and they attacked me on Thanksgiving Day. I guess they aren't real supportive.

I don't want to liken the devastation of nature specifically on one Abrahamic religion. I would just like to say how they have the 'afterlife' on a different plane, so in essence, screw earth. You see, Dharmic religions usually involve reincarnation and such, so you never leave this plane really.

Jay

Parents tend not to be. BTW, if you lose weight too quickly it may help to eat cashews or other high fat plant material; even adding olive oil to salads and subs. In terms of physics, Total energy equals kinetic energy plus potential energy; this is related in a manner like this:

Energy input = energy used + energy stored

Or

Calories consumed daily = Calories burned daily + Calories stored daily

The weight you gain depends on how much energy is stored daily and the energy density and molar mass of the fats you consume. So if you lose too much weight you could reduce the amount of physical work you do or increase Calorie input to compensate or a bit of both.



Although there are a few conservatives that don't care about the planet, their viewpoint isn't proper or Biblical. There's the doctrine of stewardship as well as the Golden rule to be concerned about; we're suppose to take care of the planet even though it is temporal and our lives are transitory, besides that we must think of what would be best for others now and in the future (living for one's self is not only selfish but possibly sinful.) Even though the afterlife is not continued in this dimension, we will be judged for what we do here. God being Just would punish those responsible for the death of people and animal and the rest of His Creation to the degree that they are individually responsible; He is the owner of the cosmos and this planet is just on lease to us, so we have to take care of it.

Question about reincarnation:
as people multiply, are new souls formed or are the former distributed?

Ben.

Check out MacDonald triad

"These factors... consisted of bedwetting (enuresis), firesetting, and torturing small animals"

Bedwetting?

richie, I did not remember it being called the McDonald Triad, but John Douglas referenced this in his book "Mindhunter".

They're trying this "gateway drug" crap all over again. If our professionals and our media mavens can't find a better way to treat the human condition than all this bashing, I wish that they would just shut up. Don't they have enough money already?

Before they were big enough to practice animal cruelty those little jerks were already hitting other children. A lot of them as far as I know don't practice animal cruelty but they are cruel to humans to the point that the humans want to die to get away from them.