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20 Feb 2009, 5:41 pm

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A woman's reproductive freedom takes precedent over everything else?

Erm, yes, my body. No woman should be *forced* to continue with a pregnancy against her will, providing the pregnancy hasn't reached a certain time limit, in the region of 20-24 weeks, before which life isn't really independently sustainable.

My personal/religious belief dictates around 12 weeks, but I don't think I should have the right to impose my own religious beliefs on another woman who may be an atheist, or may have alternative beliefs.

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20 Feb 2009, 5:55 pm

I don't feel the goverment has the right to impose laws on whether or not abortion is allowed. However, I am against abortion, and I do believe that doctors should not be allowed to perform them considering the oath they have to take to receive their license. As a side note, in addition to abortion resulting in a 100% chance of death for the unborn child(obviously, thats the point).. Its also quite dangerous for the woman getting the abortion, with the death rate being 3 times higher then simply giving birth. It's a lose lose situation.

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20 Feb 2009, 6:12 pm

Glad to see the puritans are at it again. Next thing you know they'll pass a law stating that anyone who works on the sabbath is to be stoned to death.

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20 Feb 2009, 6:36 pm

history_of_psychiatry wrote:

Glad to see the puritans are at it again. Next thing you know they'll pass a law stating that anyone who works on the sabbath is to be stoned to death.

Nah... you see... that used to be a law... untill Jesus came along anyways...

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20 Feb 2009, 6:49 pm

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Why is rape more unspeakable than infanticide?

A rape victim is not a potential life, but an actual, living, breathing, fully-formed, functioning person.

Furthermore, for infanticide to occur, the victim has to be an actual infant, the stage of life that begins with birth. If a child is unborn, let alone lacking or still growing vital organs, they're not an infant.

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20 Feb 2009, 8:05 pm

kalantir wrote:

Consider an ectopic pregnancy. If the embryo is not aborted the mother dies. Do you think a doctor should refuse to do what is necessary to save the woman? In the case of an ectopic pregnancy the mother will die way before the fetus is viable.

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20 Feb 2009, 8:19 pm

kalantir wrote:

I do believe that doctors should not be allowed to perform them considering the oath they have to take to receive their license.

The Hippocratic Oath is not required, nor is not legally-binding for those who choose to swear it. There are also many variations from the original, many of which contain no references to prohibiting abortion.

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21 Feb 2009, 9:18 am

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I do believe that doctors should not be allowed to perform them considering the oath they have to take to receive their license.

You refer to the Hippocratic Oath, whereby the physician-to-be swears to first, do no harm.

But then think of plastic surgery, where doctors do plenty of unnecessary harm to their patients, at the patients' behest.

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21 Feb 2009, 9:33 am

EnglishLulu wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

A woman's reproductive freedom takes precedent over everything else?

Exactly. It's like any other thing about a body. You shouldn't be forced to do or not do anything to it you don't want to.

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21 Feb 2009, 9:36 am

irikarah wrote:

kalantir wrote:

I do believe that doctors should not be allowed to perform them considering the oath they have to take to receive their license.

If the Hippocratic Oath is not legally binding, why does it exist? Since when is it optional?

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21 Feb 2009, 9:55 am

history_of_psychiatry wrote:

Glad to see the puritans are at it again. Next thing you know they'll pass a law stating that anyone who works on the sabbath is to be stoned to death.

Yep.

Mind you I'm pro life only on a certain stage of the fetus.

The "baby" is just a cell in the first weeks when conceived.

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21 Feb 2009, 10:11 am

MissConstrue wrote:

history_of_psychiatry wrote:

Glad to see the puritans are at it again. Next thing you know they'll pass a law stating that anyone who works on the sabbath is to be stoned to death.

Yep.

Mind you I'm pro life only on a certain stage of the fetus.

The "baby" is just a cell in the first weeks when conceived.

We were all "just cells" during those first few weeks. Why do pro-choicers have such contempt for life?

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21 Feb 2009, 10:18 am

What are you talking about? :roll:

Yes we are cells...that's what we're descended from...sperm and egg.

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21 Feb 2009, 10:20 am

This is such a stupid discussion. If we all worked together to make abortion unnecessary we could achieve so much more than we can by bickering.

NO ONE is pro-abortion... the only difference we have is that some people feel that it should be made a crime.

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21 Feb 2009, 10:24 am

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If we all worked together to make abortion unnecessary we could achieve so much more than we can by bickering.

Agreed!

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21 Feb 2009, 12:02 pm

slowmutant wrote:

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If we all worked together to make abortion unnecessary we could achieve so much more than we can by bickering.

Agreed!

Or even better if we stopped minding the business of women who decide what they will do with their own bodies, things might also be better.

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