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26 Nov 2014, 6:12 pm

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the one who was not the cop who was fired from another police force for being a racist, namely the one who testified in front of the grand jury to the effect that Wilson yelled at the pair, "get the **** onto the sidewalk!" btw I have noticed personally that cops NEVER talk that way to middle and upper class folk. I am not telling you who to cast your lot with, I am just expressing my viewpoint which is my right. I do not trust Wilson any further than I could throw a piano. being hassled by thug cops kinda does that to a person. :|


Where's the evidence that Wilson said what you say he did, though? That's the point. Evidence.

(Though I don't think it matters what Wilson said in regards to the law. But yes, it would be disrespectful. Just like the protestors yelling obscenities at police -- it's funny how no one cares much about that though. It's only bad when the police do it!)



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26 Nov 2014, 6:27 pm

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Where's the evidence that Wilson said what you say he did, though? That's the point. Evidence. (Though I don't think it matters what Wilson said in regards to the law. But yes, it would be disrespectful. Just like the protestors yelling obscenities at police -- it's funny how no one cares much about that though. It's only bad when the police do it!)

dorian Johnson recounted the events including the nasty words of Wilson. at this point it is a game of "he said/he said." but you can believe who you wish to believe and vote accordingly. and I am positive that Wilson will be quickly hired by some other area police force, and will get in trouble again. sorta like the catholic church and abusive priests, his type gets swapped around like a game of hot potato.



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26 Nov 2014, 6:37 pm

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dorian Johnson recounted ... .


Got ya.

Did he say that in court?



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26 Nov 2014, 6:44 pm

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dorian Johnson recounted ... .


Got ya. Did he say that in court?

sorry but I could not plow through that voluminous mess of court documentation, I read - about - this - fast. I have not found anybody online saying he said anything different. maybe you are a quicker study than me and can find such.



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26 Nov 2014, 7:17 pm

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Dillogic wrote:
Where's the evidence that Wilson said what you say he did, though? That's the point. Evidence. (Though I don't think it matters what Wilson said in regards to the law. But yes, it would be disrespectful. Just like the protestors yelling obscenities at police -- it's funny how no one cares much about that though. It's only bad when the police do it!)

dorian Johnson recounted the events including the nasty words of Wilson. at this point it is a game of "he said/he said." but you can believe who you wish to believe and vote accordingly. and I am positive that Wilson will be quickly hired by some other area police force, and will get in trouble again. sorta like the catholic church and abusive priests, his type gets swapped around like a game of hot potato.


You are going to believe a sixteen year old kid who just took part in a robbery , has a previous conviction for theft, and previously lied to police when questioned about the theft over the testimony of a police officer ?



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26 Nov 2014, 7:29 pm

Personal experience tells me that cop didn't ask them "nicely" to move out of the street. We need body cameras, we need them yesterday.



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26 Nov 2014, 7:34 pm

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Personal experience tells me that cop didn't ask them "nicely" to move out of the street. We need body cameras, we need them yesterday.


It really doesn't matter how he said it though.

From my experience, police have been perfectly cordial to me -- you can't take subjective experiences as being the norm. You need to look at the laws and facts.



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26 Nov 2014, 7:38 pm

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You are going to believe a sixteen year old kid who just took part in a robbery , has a previous conviction for theft, and previously lied to police when questioned about the theft over the testimony of a police officer ?

it is not that I consider a teen quasi-thug to be a paragon of virtuous truth-telling, but that I see the cop in question as being less than trustworthy based on his history alone. I trust BOTH of them about as much as I can throw a piano but I distrust the cop more based on my experiences with lying sack of doodoo cops.



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26 Nov 2014, 7:46 pm

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I see the cop in question as being less than trustworthy based on his history alone.

What are you referring to?



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26 Nov 2014, 7:50 pm

he was fired from another police department that itself was disbanded due to corruption-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... =MK0000203

The small city of Jennings, Mo., had a police department so troubled, and with so much tension between white officers and black residents, that the city council finally decided to disband it. Everyone in the Jennings police department was fired. New officers were brought in to create a credible department from scratch.

Guess what? Darren Wilson was one of those officers. Some of the officers reapplied for their old jobs, but Wilson himself took a position in Ferguson.

Jennings, like Ferguson, was made up of mostly white police officers serving a primarily black community. With only 14,000 residents in the city, a whopping 89 percent of those residents are black. City Council member Rodney Epps explained in an August 23 interview.

“You’re dealing with white cops, and they don’t know how to address black people. he straw that broke the camel’s back, an officer shot at a female. She was stopped for a traffic violation. She had a child in the back [of the] car and was probably worried about getting locked up. And this officer chased her down Highway 70, past city limits, and took a shot at her. Just ridiculous.”

Lawsuits alleging unnecessary force by officers included accusations of attacking residents without case and beating them. One woman won her lawsuit and was paid a confidential settlement.

One black resident, Cassandra Fuller, sued the department claiming a white Jennings police officer beat her in June 2009 on her own porch after she made a joke. A car had smashed into her van, which was parked in front of her home, and she called police. The responding officer asked her to move the van. “It don’t run. You can take it home with you if you want,” she answered. She said the officer became enraged, threw her off the porch, knocked her to the ground and kicked her in the stomach.

“It’s like a horror story in my mind. I never thought a police officer would pull me off my porch and beat me to the ground, for just laughing,” Fuller said in an interview.



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26 Nov 2014, 7:56 pm

You were referring to something in "his history" that makes him "less than trustworthy." Please elaborate.



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26 Nov 2014, 8:04 pm

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You were referring to something in "his history" that makes him "less than trustworthy." Please elaborate.

reread the link above, he belonged to a corrupt organization. he was part and parcel of it. in his case it was a barrel full of rotten apples of which he was one.



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26 Nov 2014, 8:06 pm

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[i]The small city of Jennings, Mo., had a police department so troubled, and with so much tension between white officers and black residents, that the city council finally decided to disband it. Everyone in the Jennings police department was fired. New officers were brought in to create a credible department from scratch.


Looks like the tension was going both ways. Which happens. I wouldn't call it completely corrupt based on two reported incidents. Predominately minority neighborhoods aren't as accepting of people of a different color -- the makeup of the new department is probably closer to 50/50 after bringing in people from outside.

I don't see how that is anything against Wilson. You'd need to look at any misconduct reported. You'd need to look into why that department was closed too, from both sides.

Didn't the Feds also investigate if any misgivings were done by Wilson in the Brown case, and they came up with what everyone else did?



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26 Nov 2014, 8:11 pm

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he belonged to a corrupt organization. he was part and parcel of it. in his case it was a barrel full of rotten apples of which he was one.

How do you know he was rotten? You have to be more specific.



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26 Nov 2014, 8:15 pm

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Looks like the tension was going both ways. Which happens. I wouldn't call it completely corrupt based on two reported incidents. Predominately minority neighborhoods aren't as accepting of people of a different color -- the makeup of the new department is probably closer to 50/50 after bringing in people from outside. I don't see how that is anything against Wilson. You'd need to look at any misconduct reported. You'd need to look into why that department was closed too, from both sides. Didn't the Feds also investigate if any misgivings were done by Wilson in the Brown case, and they came up with what everyone else did?

the tension was caused mainly by police misconduct and total lack of respect for the populace. one cannot respect cops who return blatant disrespect. and just listening to him talk and watching his face reminds me of the army psychos I had to deal with, very good at "presenting well." and Humanaut, one does not last in a place like that unless one "goes along to get along" meaning at least he was complicit in the corruption all around. the case of al serpico is a lesson in what happens when one refuses to play the game. he could have quit and been a respectable person but he did not. he stuck with it until the end.



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26 Nov 2014, 8:20 pm

Now you're just rationalizing. There is no reason to doubt his trustworthiness.