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15 Nov 2015, 1:16 pm

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In other words, the most likely reason that the Islamic State is not attacking Israel is because they are afraid to - they know that they would not succeed, and would likely be mowed down long before ever achieving their goals.

All of you Jew-haters should think about that the next time you meet an Israeli Jew.

U.S politicians have slipped on several occasions admitting that they are funding the rebels. ISIS leaders have admitted it under interrogation:

Yeah, who benefits from ISIS again?

RT News? Seriously? :roll:

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15 Nov 2015, 1:24 pm

SilverProteus, I trust Putin over the American government any day...

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15 Nov 2015, 1:28 pm

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SilverProteus, I trust Putin over the American government any day...

I trust neither, especially when the subject has to do with one of them.

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15 Nov 2015, 2:07 pm

xenocity wrote:

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xenocity wrote:

It's believed that many of the terrorists are non muslim French born citizens.

On tv they are blaming the Muslims (ISIS).

ISIS probably was behind it or had a heavy hand in it.
But not all who took part were muslims and foreigners.

You can lash out and aid terrorist without supporting their core beliefs.

Do you have any evidence that there were non-Muslims involved?

It's being reported by the BBC and other outlets.

There is no proof yet that all involved are muslims and of middle eastern origin.

You literally are jumping to conclusions that all involved were all muslims.

Only two shooter are identified.
One is a French man born in the suburbs of Paris was 29, with a criminal record with no history of religious based activities.
The other was Syrian born 35 year old who was probably muslim.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34824354

Given that ISIS claimed responsibility for the Paris massacre it is reasonable to deploy Occam's razor and assume that the attackers were 100% muslim until proven otherwise. Yes I'm jumping to conclusions and it's one that is the most likely. Deal with it.

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15 Nov 2015, 2:23 pm

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Nope, not Maronite, Atheists, from a Shia Muslim family.

Listen, if you are Shia, you should be the FIRST to denounce ISIS. Think of the atrocities they have wrecked on your people ? What is with you supporting them ?

What's wrong with you? Where did I say that I support them?

I was just telling him that not all religious conflicts were between Muslims vs others, but almost all religions had conflicts between each other.

Understand what you are reading without jumping to false conclusions.

FALSE conclusions ?

Pray, how are my conclusions false ? You claim that every religion has a problem with every other religion, and that is a flat out LIE. Hindus and Jains, for instance, have rarely been the aggressors in any religious conflicts. Hinduism and it's "offshoots" (Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, etc) have existed relatively peacefully together for a couple of thousands years.

And the reason that this was possible was because none of these religions in the subcontinent trump up their God as "the One and Only". That helped them all get along remarkably well with each other -- despite their differences over the evils of the caste system (one reason I am an atheist now).

Unfortunately for the people of the subcontinent, Islam and its intolerant practitioners arrived at our doorstep in the 10th century AD and that was the beginning of the end.

Eastern religions also don't seek converts. Those two are the the whole and sole defining characteristics of Abrahamic religions. In addition, Islam also demands that believers kill non-believers.

So, yeah, your theory on how ALL religions don't get along with all other religions is so hollow and so hypocritical that even you can't fail to realize it.

BTW, how is Beirut now, in the aftermath of the bombing ? Stay safe.

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15 Nov 2015, 2:32 pm

SilverProteus wrote:

Neotenous Nordic wrote:

Fnord wrote:

U.S politicians have slipped on several occasions admitting that they are funding the rebels. ISIS leaders have admitted it under interrogation:

Yeah, who benefits from ISIS again?

RT News? Seriously? :roll:

Well you can listen to Obama admit it too

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15 Nov 2015, 2:39 pm

HisMom wrote:

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Nope, not Maronite, Atheists, from a Shia Muslim family.

Listen, if you are Shia, you should be the FIRST to denounce ISIS. Think of the atrocities they have wrecked on your people ? What is with you supporting them ?

Judaism doesn't seek converts....and read this...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecuti ... in_Myanmar

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15 Nov 2015, 2:45 pm

Hismom, I dont understand how I keep telling you over and over about the persecution of Muslims in Burma, and how you keep ignoring me over and over... Members of the abrahamic religions are NOT the only ones who persecute members of other faiths... Buddhists are included.

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15 Nov 2015, 2:51 pm

Monster Crack, perhaps things will change under the new leader of Myanmar / Burma, Suu Kyi.

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15 Nov 2015, 3:02 pm

Fnord wrote:

All of you Jew-haters should think about that the next time you meet an Israeli Jew.

They won't listen.

One thing I enjoy about racists and anti-semites is the way they can't keep themselves from outing themselves.
So predictable. And so helpful--you don't really have to wonder about them too long, they can't stop themselves from leaking their bilious, defective thought all over the place. And then you know who they are. What they are.

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15 Nov 2015, 3:46 pm

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Monster Crack, perhaps things will change under the new leader of Myanmar / Burma, Suu Kyi.

Many Rohingyas have expressed hope that Suu Kyi would re-grant them citizenship. No people should have to suffer the ignominy of being stateless.

Then, again, they MAY be able to claim citizenship in Bangladesh, but they choose to avoid emigrating there (Bangladesh is a hell hole of a different sort, so maybe they don't fancy moving to that land).

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No, I am not ignoring you, lad. Yes, I do agree that Islam is not the only religion whose followers persecute adherents of other sects / religions, but the market on global terrorism is not cornered by the Buddhists.

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SilverProteus, I trust Putin over the American government any day...

Why would you do that ?

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15 Nov 2015, 4:45 pm

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Israel requires two years of military service for its citizens, men and women, with few exceptions.

It's actually a lifetime of service, until the age of 40 or 45, after conscription is completed everyone enters the reserve forces.

Yeah, you're right. I should have done a quick check of the facts before relying on memory only. Here's what Wikipedia has to say:

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Men drafted as of July 2015 and later will serve 2 years and 8 months (32 months), with some roles requiring an additional 4 months of Permanent service. Women serve two years. The IDF women who volunteer for several combat positions often serve for three years, due to the longer period of training. Women in other positions, such as programmers, who also require lengthy training time, may also serve three years.

I spent some time in Israel in the 90's. At that time, everyone in the IDF Reserve was called up for re-training and active duty every year. Obviously the situation was different at that time where Israel had occupied the Southern half of Lebanon. Also from Wikipedia:

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The IDF may call up reservists for:
- Reserve service of up to one month every three years, until the age of 40 (enlisted) or 45 (officers). Reservists may volunteer after this age, with approval of the Manpower Directorate.
- Immediate active duty in war time.

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Here in the States, we have active-duty, reserve, and "retired" veterans everywhere - many of whom are well-armed and well-trained - forming our own "well-regulated militia". We need more ... just like Israel.

Just out of interest, in the US after active duty is there an obligation to join the Reserve?

It was mandatory for me to be a part of the "Inactive Ready Reserve" for two years after discharge. During that time, I had to keep the DOD informed of my whereabouts - not a problem, since I worked for the DOD as a civilian for a few years after I walked out the main gate.

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15 Nov 2015, 5:25 pm

What worry me most are the reactions of the politicians.

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15 Nov 2015, 6:13 pm

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Nope, not Maronite, Atheists, from a Shia Muslim family.

Listen, if you are Shia, you should be the FIRST to denounce ISIS. Think of the atrocities they have wrecked on your people ? What is with you supporting them ?

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FALSE conclusions ?

I was referring to your false conclusion that I am supporting ISIS, you see the bold part above? Yes, that one.

As an atheist, I think that most religions are evil in nature, causing unnecessary divisions among humans - fine, Hinduism/Buddhism texts might be more peaceful than Abrahamic texts but many adherents of all those religions all acted violently (religiously motivated) at some point in human history, for instance Buddhists monks weren't that peaceful toward muslims in Burma. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-22356306

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15 Nov 2015, 6:20 pm

Adamantium wrote:

Fnord wrote:

All of you Jew-haters should think about that the next time you meet an Israeli Jew.

No one is hating Jews or Israel in this thread.

We aren't blind to what Israel and it's intelligence service have done worldwide to other peoples and countries to sabotage them for "national security".
Israel even does stuff against countries that fund them.

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15 Nov 2015, 6:27 pm

xenocity wrote:

No one is hating Jews or Israel in this thread.

I do not see any anti-semitism in this thread, either.

If you mean my sarcastic references to the "Om-Shalom-ers" or the "Hinjews" as being behind the Parisian attacks, LOL. I was raised Hindu (atheist now) and I love to poke fun at Modi's Sangh Parivar henchmen, who routinely post diatribes, and work overtime to come up with anti-minority propaganda and policies. It's a sad day if you can't even mock your own people (laugh at yourselves, so to speak). As for dragging Jews into this, I just think that the Hindus and the Jews are a match made in Heaven (or Hell, if you'd rather have it that way).

I do admit that posting such sarcastic messages in this thread was in bad taste, though, and I apologize to anyone affected by this attack. I was angry, sad and wasn't thinking. Didn't mean to sound insensitive. Sorry.

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