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28 Dec 2019, 7:14 pm

cyberdad wrote:

If the "stuff" is based on peer reviewed research then it's usually worth reading which is why I invite you to join the world critical thought

It does help your position if you read your reference.
I almost always do so myself,
And on the rare occasions I don't, I leave myself rather exposed.

I used to always do the hard yakka in a discussion/argument,
But have gotten lazy recently because most people don't follow up on what has been presented.
*I'm* not most people, btw. :wink:

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28 Dec 2019, 7:18 pm

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28 Dec 2019, 7:22 pm

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Thous shalt not let the Truth get in the way of a good story. :mrgreen:

Yeah,
I get that a lot with neurotypicals, btw.
Whatcha gunna do? :shrug:

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29 Dec 2019, 12:01 am

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I'd give you a 2/10 if this were a science project Solosailor

Copying and pasting plots without captions or explanation is not science

For that matter pasting hyperbole in large font isn't science either....so deduct 20%

Your final mark is 0/10 :lol:

I'd give him a zero even without the hyperbole. He provides zero context for any of the graphs he posted. And the paranoiac, rambling text of the images at the end is just the icing on the crap cake.

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29 Dec 2019, 12:03 am

And look what happens when I quote this post with all those out-of-context graphs, and strip out only the quotations of the other posters and the images (along with the remaining whitespace):

[quote="SoloSailor"][/quote]

Nothing. There is nothing left. In fact, the forum doesn't even bother processing it.

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29 Dec 2019, 12:25 am

I know some skeptical posters, like Ezra, are wondering where to get good authoritative information on the subject. I found this recent interview of a climate scientist from Environment Canada (basically, the NOAA and EPA of Canada) whose caption says clears things up:

I've just begun to watch it myself, so I can discover it with the other posters here.

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29 Dec 2019, 1:03 am

cyberdad wrote:

Actually not rocket science so don't get excited.

High tides are flooding more land now because of rising sea levels. Inundation is impacting low lying islands in both the Pacific and Indian ocean.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news ... e-science/

Again please use science to debate not personal opinions...like talking to children

There are people here who display greater knowledge and understanding of science than you, and you arbitrarily dismiss them because what they present doesn't fit your narrative. A lot of the links you provide to back you up, suggest that you did not read the material or did not understand it.

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29 Dec 2019, 1:16 am

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I'm just as capable of googling stuff up as you are. I could easily put on a show of posting images, videos and acronyms et al to try passing myself off as an expert. I'm more into objective reasoning.

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29 Dec 2019, 1:21 am

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beneficii wrote:

I'm just as capable of googling stuff up as you are. I could put on a pretentious show of posting images, videos and acronyms et al to try passing myself off as an expert, but I'm not into being a poser.

I don't think I said I was an expert.

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29 Dec 2019, 1:32 am

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I don't think I said I was an expert.

Whatever word applies, I think you and cyberdad put on a show of being more knowledgeable than you actually are. Especially when confronted with people who display having a greater working knowledge and understanding of science. One of whom here is a nuclear physicist, whom I've seen get arbitrarily dismissed. Yes, I know nuclear physics isn't climate change science, but he is still an actual scientist, unlike you or cyberdad or me etc.

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29 Dec 2019, 1:54 am

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beneficii wrote:

I don't think I said I was an expert.

Well, I am not a scientist, and I often don't know a lot of the deeper things that go into its practice. I have quite a bit of experience in these discussions, and in the past participated in a lot of the evolution vs. creationism debates. But I do know enough about it to know that posting a bunch of graphs without context, plus images in the same post talking about how they're taking down a bunch of liars, is not good science, and it doesn't help clear anything up for anybody. It's just inflammatory crap.

Whereas the video I posted was from an actual expert in the field and he calmly went into the science. You yourself mentioned how you don't think experts do enough to communicate the science to the public and seem to rely on not always well-informed activists as intermediaries. I thought this was a really good point. That's why I thought posting this video would be helpful.

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29 Dec 2019, 2:17 am

beneficii wrote:

And look what happens when I quote this post with all those out-of-context graphs, and strip out only the quotations of the other posters and the images (along with the remaining whitespace):

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beneficii wrote:

Nothing. There is nothing left. In fact, the forum doesn't even bother processing it.

Holy crap. I feel like I've just entered The Twilight Zone. Are you for real?

Look.
The 'forum' isn't supposed to process diddly squat. It's nothing more than a silicon parrot.
The actual processing (thinking) is supposed to be done by the reader/viewer.
If you sincerely wanted the answers to your questions you would have found them by now.
There is nothing in those graphs that was taken out of context (do you even know what that means?), their source is not hidden and the graphs themselves are self-explanatory.

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29 Dec 2019, 2:20 am

beneficii wrote:

The thing is I see it go both ways. You dismiss someone's graphs and sources and that person dismisses your graphs and sources. What stands out to me is which person appears to have a better understanding and knowledge of the subject.

beneficii wrote:

Whereas the video I posted was from an actual expert in the field and he calmly went into the science. You yourself mentioned how you don't think experts do enough to communicate the science to the public and seem to rely on not always well-informed activists as intermediaries. I thought this was a really good point. That's why I thought posting this video would be helpful.

What I am saying is probably 95% of the people who know who Greta Thunberg is, have never heard of Greg Flato. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you never heard of him either until you found that video.

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29 Dec 2019, 2:21 am

SoloSailor wrote:

beneficii wrote:

And look what happens when I quote this post with all those out-of-context graphs, and strip out only the quotations of the other posters and the images (along with the remaining whitespace):

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beneficii wrote:

Nothing. There is nothing left. In fact, the forum doesn't even bother processing it.

Actually, the source is unclear to me. Where did you get them from? What context were they presented in? And most importantly, what point are you making? Please be specific.

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29 Dec 2019, 2:22 am

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That video was published yesterday. The interviewer there mentioned that he feels he doesn't have enough information to make an informed conclusion on the matter. There is an effort to improve public communication.

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29 Dec 2019, 2:31 am

beneficii wrote:

I would doubly recommend reading the comments posted below the video as they are quite interesting.

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I've just begun to watch it myself, so I can discover it with the other posters here.

Wait. What?
In your first sentence you recommend it as 'good authoritative information' yet you haven't even watched it?

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