Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus
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Especially after untold millions lose their jobs.
I think this thing could possibly end up destroying civilization in the process of trying to save it.
The greatest harm can result from the best intentions - that is that kind of **** up I think really will bring about the end of the world as we know it.
That depends on humanity and how we take care of each other. There are awakenings of kindness across the globe. In Israel the whole country stood on our balconies and cheered the medical staff, supermarket workers and messengers at 18:00IST yesterday. We took pots and pans and made a cocophony of sound in solidarity. People phoned me to ask if I need anything because they know I am in quarantine. Everyone is running errands for the elderly who are quarantined. Less Instagram, less selfishness. It will be alright.It will be simpler and better.
China has gifted large amounts of medical supplies to Israel in reciprocity for our assistance to their Corona crisis. The world is changing.
I'm thinking that I might need to buy a few chickens and a donkey though
I see what you are saying and I hope it goes that way here.
But here what has stood out the most so far is the hoarding.
I think Ezra that when the public see that the shelves in the stores are being replenished on a regular basis, and that there is no lack of basic commodities then they will calm down a bit and stop hoarding. It is the initial shock, when we establish a new routine and see that we can get what we need when we need it we will all panic less. There are plenty of reserves and import and export of food is still robust as far as I know.
It displayed the every man for himself instinct that that most humans are inherently equipped with.
Your hope is they will rise above that and I hope you are right.
That is exactly my hope. If we don't then nature will give us even harder lessons. We learn best through hardship apparently.
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Many people have mild symptoms.
I was to take my mother for an infusion....but I decided to be safe, rather than sorry. She’s 85 years old, and is immunocompromised. If she gets what I may have, it might kill her.
Be healthy.
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I came across this article in the morning:
As the horror known as the coronavirus tightens its grip on the world, and a vaccine is years away, our best hope is an antiviral drug that minimizes the damage caused by coronavirus replication. New data on favipiravir, a repurposed drug originally discovered in Japan, looks promising in trials in China. But nothing is ever straightforward in drug discovery -- and that is no different here. Here's a summary of the new findings.
There is now a potentially important change in the pharmaceutical landscape of anti-coronavirus drugs. Favipiravir, a little-used six-year-old drug from Japan probably isn't a game-changer, at least not yet, but given the urgency of having a drug that can at least control coronavirus infection, favipiravir joins Gilead's remdesivir in the spotlight.
Dose-response curves of favipiravir and remdesivir. The red hatch lines indicate the concentration of the drug required to inhibit 50% of viral growth (this is called an EC50). The lower the EC50 the more potent the drug. Favipiravir is a weak inhibitor of coronavirus replication (62 micromolar - a very high number for a drug). Remdesivir is 80-times more potent (EC50 = 0.77 micromolar), putting it in the same range of other antiviral drugs.
All things equal, remdesivir should be a better drug than favipiravir, since it is 80-times more potent, but in drug discovery, all things are never equal. Potency is only one of the dozens of parameters that determine whether a drug will be successful or not.
Favipiravir (brand name Avigan) is an existing drug that was developed by Fujifilm Toyama Chemical and approved in Japan in 2014 for the treatment of influenza. It has been undergoing clinical trials in China and been used therapeutically in people who are infected in Japan. The drug is not approved in the US; it doesn't work very well for flu, but in 2014 when Fujifilm announced the approval of the drug there was one very important paragraph:
AVIGAN is a viral RNA polymerase inhibitor with a new mechanism of action, inhibiting viral gene replication within infected cells to prevent the propagation. Due to this characteristic, the drug is expected to have an antiviral effect on Avian Influenza A (H5N1 and H7N9) and other viruses, with efficacy already confirmed in animal studies.
The key is "other viruses." Avigan has been used with limited success against other RNA viruses, such as Ebola, West Nile, and Zika.
How well does Avigan work against coronavirus? The results are mixed:
* In one clinical trial of 200 patients in China, people who received the drug cleared the virus (negative test) in four days vs. 11 days for those did not.
* In another trial, patients treated with favipiravir recovered from fever in 2.5 days vs. 4.2 days and also stopped coughing within 4.6 days vs. patients who did not take the drug.
* (This one is big) Patients who took the drug needed to be put on a ventilator half as often as those who didn't.
Perhaps the most intriguing aspect of this story is that very different information is coming from the two countries.
"The drug is very safe and clearly effective...there were no clear side effects."
Zhang Xinmin, director of the Chinese government’s National Center for Biotechnology Development.
The story in Japan is quite different. Favipiravir, like all drugs, comes with its own set of baggage. One of the conditions of approval in Japan was that it would only be allowed to treat serious infectious diseases like avian flu or Ebola for which there were no viable options. This is because the drug is known to cause birth defects and fetal death.
And Japanese health officials reached a decidedly different conclusion about the efficacy of the drug.
"We’ve given Avigan to 70 to 80 people, but it doesn’t seem to work that well when the virus has already multiplied."
Unnamed source from the Japanese Health Ministry, reported in Mainichi Shimbun (one of the major newspapers in Japan.
Some of the data from trials in China seem quite impressive, but the opinions of Japanese scientists are significantly different. On balance, I would say the news is positive, maybe even very positive, especially if the efficacy data holds up in further trials. But be prepared for surprises. The only thing that is clear here is nothing.
Source with the graphics and references: Favipiravir: Another Player In The Coronavirus Drug Sweepstakes
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I think I may have it.
I’m getting tested.
Nothing to panic about.....but we have to do something......and we are.
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Take care of yourself. Exercise all precautions. I will pray for you and your family.
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I know.
All this, that and the other extreme to stop the spread of a virus that makes 97% of the people who get it mildly ill.
I think I may have it.
I’m getting tested.
Nothing to panic about.....but we have to do something......and we are.
Hope not Don. A guy who works with my dad got sick a couple of weeks ago, but it was just a case of ordinary flu that is still going around.
Latest data on emergency department admissions for adults for flu-like illnesses in New York City:
See that massive spike at the start of this month? That spike is much higher than the peak of flu season last year and the year before, and is occurring later in the year.
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Day FOUR of the coronavirus lockdown for us older folks. Plenty of things to keep me busy with today.
Last night when my mind became uncluttered and I raced around the track at light speed, I came across another shiny object. I reached out and grabbed it. It turns out it was a box, a game box. So I looked at it. The box read "Grand Theft Auto: The Coronavirus Edition" or abbreviated GTA7.
In this version, it was not about stealing cars, it was all about toilet paper. There was a host of different characters: Preppers, Hoarders, a little old granny pushing a shopping cart full of toilet paper. There were super spreaders who were infected and knew they were infected but wanted to spread it and enhance casualty count. There were spring breakers oblivious to the world around them. There were people wearing N95 face mask, N100 face mask and beyond. People with the full array of home made PPE (Personal Protective Equipment).
Then I thought San Francisco is in lockdown. Many of the game developers are locked away at home. They are afraid and their focus is the coronavirus. So their minds are spinning like a fidget spinner, so it is quite natural for the next round of video games to focus on this crisis with a bit of humor added.
I remembered a movie. It was called "Children of Men". I watched it a few years ago and I liked it. So if you are sitting around at home in lockdown, this might be one of the movies to watch. It was a British movie. In the present pandemic, the elderly are the individuals that are facing death, they are on the front lines. But this movie flipped the threat to the other side. What would happen if a virus just prevented individuals from making children. Slowly the world would become childless. The human race would die away in slow motion and become extinct. And in a way this is what the movie is about. Probably a very depressing movie under the present circumstances. But there is always a ray of hope and this is really the heart of the movie.
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Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus
In an analysis published Tuesday, Stanford’s John P.A. Ioannidis — co-director of the university’s Meta-Research Innovation Center and professor of medicine, biomedical data science, statistics, and epidemiology and population health — suggests that the response to the coronavirus pandemic may be “a fiasco in the making” because we are making seismic decisions based on “utterly unreliable” data. The data we do have, Ioannidis explains, indicates that we are likely severely overreacting.
“The current coronavirus disease, Covid-19, has been called a once-in-a-century pandemic. But it may also be a once-in-a-century evidence fiasco,” Ioannidis writes in an opinion piece published by STAT on Tuesday.
“Draconian countermeasures have been adopted in many countries. If the pandemic dissipates — either on its own or because of these measures — short-term extreme social distancing and lockdowns may be bearable,” the statistician writes. “How long, though, should measures like these be continued if the pandemic churns across the globe unabated? How can policymakers tell if they are doing more good than harm?”
The woefully inadequate data we have so far, the meta-research specialist argues, indicates that the extreme measures taken by many countries are likely way out of line and may result in ultimately unnecessary and catastrophic consequences. Due to extremely limited testing, we are likely missing “the vast majority of infections” from COVID-19, he states, thus making reported fatality rates from the World Health Organization “meaningless.”
“Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes,” Ioannidis explains. With very limited testing in many health systems, he suggests, that “selection bias” may only get worse going forward.
Ioannidis then zooms in on the “one situation” where “an entire, closed population was tested”: the Diamond Princess cruise ship’s quarantined passengers. While the fatality rate was 1.0%, he points out, the population was largely elderly, the most at-risk demographic. Projected out onto the age structure of the U.S. population, he calculates, the death rate is more like 0.125%, with a range of 0.025% to 0.625% based on the sample size:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford ... oronavirus
Hopefully I will not be wrong but so far I hardly see it as "the horror known as the coronavirus" as far as the virus itself goes.
To me the horror is it being touted as a horror and the seemingly unrealistic exponential growth predictions being cranked out.
If it actually doubled everyday a lot more than 255,846 people would have it by now after it being around for 3 months.
255,846 is nothing. It is such a tiny number. In 3 months time during the height of flu season millions of people contract it in just the United States alone according to the CDC.
See that massive spike at the start of this month? That spike is much higher than the peak of flu season last year and the year before, and is occurring later in the year.
What about for the last ten years? Since the CDC says that in the United States alone there are as many as 45 million cases, 850 thousand hospitalizations and 60 thousand deaths from the flu annually going back to 2010, I bet there is at least one chart with a pretty big spike in it.
And this virus is currently at it's peak in NYC, so of course there is a spike.
What does the spike mean in number of cases?

That is for the entire US.
This is what it looked like yesterday:
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I concur completely. It is due to surge buying not a true shortage. Items will return to stores quickly. But the next problem will be a lack of customers, when many people are in lockdown. People too afraid to leave their homes.
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Baby born in toilet paper isle.
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Dr. Fauci is misrepresenting the facts to make it look like the US stopped flights to/from China before Italy did. But the reverse is actually true: It was Italy that did it first on January 31.
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