14 Jan 2018, 6:26 pm
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Responding to everyone. The metropolitan left hate working class people. Yes they work but they despise the white working class that do a lot of the tough manual jobs. They look down on non whites too, bit are too terrified to show their contempt because racism is their world.
I never said that means the right are the friends of the working class. Too many people here are so tribal and it's beyond hypocrisy when we see people on the left accusing the right of being so biased
Politicians lie, bit Trump has done more things he said he would compared to that last guy.
People are having a hysterical hissy fit about Trump saying about Norway, when there is zero evidence that he said such a thing. Then making out he's the devil for not wanting to take in people from hell hole countries. He would have to be insane to want to take them in.
I never said that means the right are the friends of the working class. Too many people here are so tribal and it's beyond hypocrisy when we see people on the left accusing the right of being so biased
Politicians lie, bit Trump has done more things he said he would compared to that last guy.
People are having a hysterical hissy fit about Trump saying about Norway, when there is zero evidence that he said such a thing. Then making out he's the devil for not wanting to take in people from hell hole countries. He would have to be insane to want to take them in.
There are liberals who are working class, like myself. I don't live in a big city and never have, I'm not "metropolitan left"--I grew up in a working class background, my parents are working class, all my friends growing up were from working class families. Yet I am what you would call "left"--I'm a democratic socialist and I vote Green Party. I don't have contempt for my own people and where I came from. It's because of the struggles of the working class that I was surrounded by growing up that I became a democratic socialist, it was watching my parents work their asses off until retirement for companies that exploited them and didn't appreciate their work ethic and dedication that made me realize how important it is for us a society to look out for each other and not let a few rich people at the top call all the shots and have all the power.
You talk about the blindness of tribalism with such ironic blindness yourself.
If you're not one if the type I mentioned, then why respond and respond with such anger?
What ironic blindness are you talking about? I understand everything you said and sympsthise with the points.
I'm confused how you got "such anger" from my response. I used plain text, no caps lock, no exclamation points, and practically no cursing. I think you might be projecting emotion into people's responses that isn't there.
Maybe. Just the way you seemed to take it personally and accuse me of ironic blindness.
14 Jan 2018, 6:29 pm
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14 Jan 2018, 7:04 pm
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Responding to everyone. The metropolitan left hate working class people. Yes they work but they despise the white working class that do a lot of the tough manual jobs. They look down on non whites too, bit are too terrified to show their contempt because racism is their world.
I never said that means the right are the friends of the working class. Too many people here are so tribal and it's beyond hypocrisy when we see people on the left accusing the right of being so biased
Politicians lie, bit Trump has done more things he said he would compared to that last guy.
People are having a hysterical hissy fit about Trump saying about Norway, when there is zero evidence that he said such a thing. Then making out he's the devil for not wanting to take in people from hell hole countries. He would have to be insane to want to take them in.
I never said that means the right are the friends of the working class. Too many people here are so tribal and it's beyond hypocrisy when we see people on the left accusing the right of being so biased
Politicians lie, bit Trump has done more things he said he would compared to that last guy.
People are having a hysterical hissy fit about Trump saying about Norway, when there is zero evidence that he said such a thing. Then making out he's the devil for not wanting to take in people from hell hole countries. He would have to be insane to want to take them in.
There are liberals who are working class, like myself. I don't live in a big city and never have, I'm not "metropolitan left"--I grew up in a working class background, my parents are working class, all my friends growing up were from working class families. Yet I am what you would call "left"--I'm a democratic socialist and I vote Green Party. I don't have contempt for my own people and where I came from. It's because of the struggles of the working class that I was surrounded by growing up that I became a democratic socialist, it was watching my parents work their asses off until retirement for companies that exploited them and didn't appreciate their work ethic and dedication that made me realize how important it is for us a society to look out for each other and not let a few rich people at the top call all the shots and have all the power.
You talk about the blindness of tribalism with such ironic blindness yourself.
If you're not one if the type I mentioned, then why respond and respond with such anger?
What ironic blindness are you talking about? I understand everything you said and sympsthise with the points.
I'm actually going to side with John Powell here.
There is a big difference between the actual leftists and the billionaires who call themselves leftists in order to derail the left.
He made a comment that implied he believe all people on the left were some "metropolitan elite" types who hate working class people. My point was that not everyone on the left is middle class or above elite academics who are contemptuous of working class people, there are lots of people from working class backgrounds who are drawn to the left side of the political spectrum.
14 Jan 2018, 7:18 pm
14 Jan 2018, 7:19 pm
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Responding to everyone. The metropolitan left hate working class people. Yes they work but they despise the white working class that do a lot of the tough manual jobs. They look down on non whites too, bit are too terrified to show their contempt because racism is their world.
I never said that means the right are the friends of the working class. Too many people here are so tribal and it's beyond hypocrisy when we see people on the left accusing the right of being so biased
Politicians lie, bit Trump has done more things he said he would compared to that last guy.
People are having a hysterical hissy fit about Trump saying about Norway, when there is zero evidence that he said such a thing. Then making out he's the devil for not wanting to take in people from hell hole countries. He would have to be insane to want to take them in.
I never said that means the right are the friends of the working class. Too many people here are so tribal and it's beyond hypocrisy when we see people on the left accusing the right of being so biased
Politicians lie, bit Trump has done more things he said he would compared to that last guy.
People are having a hysterical hissy fit about Trump saying about Norway, when there is zero evidence that he said such a thing. Then making out he's the devil for not wanting to take in people from hell hole countries. He would have to be insane to want to take them in.
There are liberals who are working class, like myself. I don't live in a big city and never have, I'm not "metropolitan left"--I grew up in a working class background, my parents are working class, all my friends growing up were from working class families. Yet I am what you would call "left"--I'm a democratic socialist and I vote Green Party. I don't have contempt for my own people and where I came from. It's because of the struggles of the working class that I was surrounded by growing up that I became a democratic socialist, it was watching my parents work their asses off until retirement for companies that exploited them and didn't appreciate their work ethic and dedication that made me realize how important it is for us a society to look out for each other and not let a few rich people at the top call all the shots and have all the power.
You talk about the blindness of tribalism with such ironic blindness yourself.
If you're not one if the type I mentioned, then why respond and respond with such anger?
What ironic blindness are you talking about? I understand everything you said and sympsthise with the points.
I'm actually going to side with John Powell here.
There is a big difference between the actual leftists and the billionaires who call themselves leftists in order to derail the left.
He made a comment that implied he believe all people on the left were some "metropolitan elite" types who hate working class people. My point was that not everyone on the left is middle class or above elite academics who are contemptuous of working class people, there are lots of people from working class backgrounds who are drawn to the left side of the political spectrum.
If I was talking about the whole left I wouldn't have put "metropolitan" in front of it.
14 Jan 2018, 8:22 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Responding to everyone. The metropolitan left hate working class people. Yes they work but they despise the white working class that do a lot of the tough manual jobs. They look down on non whites too, bit are too terrified to show their contempt because racism is their world.
I never said that means the right are the friends of the working class. Too many people here are so tribal and it's beyond hypocrisy when we see people on the left accusing the right of being so biased
Politicians lie, bit Trump has done more things he said he would compared to that last guy.
People are having a hysterical hissy fit about Trump saying about Norway, when there is zero evidence that he said such a thing. Then making out he's the devil for not wanting to take in people from hell hole countries. He would have to be insane to want to take them in.
I never said that means the right are the friends of the working class. Too many people here are so tribal and it's beyond hypocrisy when we see people on the left accusing the right of being so biased
Politicians lie, bit Trump has done more things he said he would compared to that last guy.
People are having a hysterical hissy fit about Trump saying about Norway, when there is zero evidence that he said such a thing. Then making out he's the devil for not wanting to take in people from hell hole countries. He would have to be insane to want to take them in.
There are liberals who are working class, like myself. I don't live in a big city and never have, I'm not "metropolitan left"--I grew up in a working class background, my parents are working class, all my friends growing up were from working class families. Yet I am what you would call "left"--I'm a democratic socialist and I vote Green Party. I don't have contempt for my own people and where I came from. It's because of the struggles of the working class that I was surrounded by growing up that I became a democratic socialist, it was watching my parents work their asses off until retirement for companies that exploited them and didn't appreciate their work ethic and dedication that made me realize how important it is for us a society to look out for each other and not let a few rich people at the top call all the shots and have all the power.
You talk about the blindness of tribalism with such ironic blindness yourself.
If you're not one if the type I mentioned, then why respond and respond with such anger?
What ironic blindness are you talking about? I understand everything you said and sympsthise with the points.
I'm actually going to side with John Powell here.
There is a big difference between the actual leftists and the billionaires who call themselves leftists in order to derail the left.
He made a comment that implied he believe all people on the left were some "metropolitan elite" types who hate working class people. My point was that not everyone on the left is middle class or above elite academics who are contemptuous of working class people, there are lots of people from working class backgrounds who are drawn to the left side of the political spectrum.
If I was talking about the whole left I wouldn't have put "metropolitan" in front of it.
It is a common argument I hear from people on your side, that all leftists are coastal elitist academics and want nothing to do with working class people. I'm just doing my part to dispel that myth that everyone on the left is "elite".
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