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17 Jun 2010, 12:11 pm

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Geothermal is a biggie, clean, endless, and could replace coal. It is being held back because some people bought a lot of coal rights from their government friends.

It does not take the far future to have an Energy Plan, it only takes going around the existing energy plan.

The problem is not energy, there is a lot, it is the marketing network, and their hold on Congress.


Except for fortunate spots like Iceland we do not have easy access to the magma. Also there is no practical technology for breaching the Mohovoric discontinuity. It isn't easy to get to the hot stuff under our feet. Eventually we will find a way and we have have a billion years of relatively cheap energy.

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17 Jun 2010, 3:53 pm

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I will bet the recovery will take five years or less. ruveyn


I'll take that bet and I'll win. This is an incredible claim and sounds like propaganda. The reality is, we're looking at system-scale ecological damages that will require decades if not centuries to recover.

Regarding the Valdez spill (from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill):

"Almost 20 years after the spill, a team of scientists at the University of North Carolina found that the effects are lasting far longer than expected. The team estimates some shoreline Arctic habitats may take up to 30 years to recover. Exxon Mobil denies any concerns over this, stating that they anticipated a remaining fraction that they assert will not cause any long-term ecological impacts, according to the conclusions of 350 peer-reviewed studies. However, a study from scientists from the NOAA concluded that this contamination can produce chronic low-level exposure, discourage subsistence where the contamination is heavy, and decrease the "wilderness character" of the area."

Given that the current gulf spill is now over 10 times the amount of the Valdez spill, and it hasn't been shutoff yet, I think you'll lose your bet.



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17 Jun 2010, 8:16 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Geothermal is a biggie, clean, endless, and could replace coal. It is being held back because some people bought a lot of coal rights from their government friends.

It does not take the far future to have an Energy Plan, it only takes going around the existing energy plan.

The problem is not energy, there is a lot, it is the marketing network, and their hold on Congress.


Except for fortunate spots like Iceland we do not have easy access to the magma. Also there is no practical technology for breaching the Mohovoric discontinuity. It isn't easy to get to the hot stuff under our feet. Eventually we will find a way and we have have a billion years of relatively cheap energy.

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We have the Yellowstone Caldera. The Russians did drill into the Mohovoric discontinuity, Titanium casings, but that would be mineral rich, useful, but not needed for heat.

In a captive system there are fluids other than water that would drive turbines, unlike sun and wind it is 24/7, and even total failue does not cause problems, unless you were standing too close.

The only problem is unlike oil, coal, the heat of the magma can not be owned.

Like dams it would be a Publically Owned power supply.

There would be no gifts for our Washington Overlords.

The ocean deeps are covered in seas of Methane Hydrates, a well developed feed stock for industry, plastics, and it seems unlimited. It can be developed into a liquid fuel for transportation.

There are other energy supplies, they are within current technology.

They would put an end to coal, Atomic energy, oil would have a lot less uses, and economic control would be lost.

We live in a world where Congress takes bribes to control markets and fix prices.

The problem is not science and engineering.



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17 Jun 2010, 8:43 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Geothermal is a biggie, clean, endless, and could replace coal. It is being held back because some people bought a lot of coal rights from their government friends.

It does not take the far future to have an Energy Plan, it only takes going around the existing energy plan.

The problem is not energy, there is a lot, it is the marketing network, and their hold on Congress.


Except for fortunate spots like Iceland we do not have easy access to the magma. Also there is no practical technology for breaching the Mohovoric discontinuity. It isn't easy to get to the hot stuff under our feet. Eventually we will find a way and we have have a billion years of relatively cheap energy.

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You don't necessarily need an extremely geologically active region for geothermal power. If you drill deep enough it gets hot. Also, there are areas along the pacific cast and near Yellowstone where you could put a near endless amount of geothermal power plants and transmit the electricity wherever.


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20 Jun 2010, 12:58 pm

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Geothermal is a biggie, clean, endless, and could replace coal. It is being held back because some people bought a lot of coal rights from their government friends.

It does not take the far future to have an Energy Plan, it only takes going around the existing energy plan.

The problem is not energy, there is a lot, it is the marketing network, and their hold on Congress.


We can still use coal, just not as much. The key is, using enough fossil fuels to support that sector of the economy, while growing new sectors based on untried and underdeveloped methods. There will still be plenty of jobs for coal miners, and money going to those mineral royalty owners, but the coal is not going to last and last, unless we find a way to replicate it, or maybe even engineering it without the carbon or recycling the carbon it has.
My family has mineral rights, but the minerals are almost depleted. The oil underground is nearly gone.



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20 Jun 2010, 1:37 pm

I think it's about time or should have been about time for cars and everything else to use an alternative to oil....but nooooooo, we wouldn't want to put these rich ass oil companies out of business and of course ignoramuses who don't know what's good for them.


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20 Jun 2010, 3:45 pm

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You don't necessarily need an extremely geologically active region for geothermal power. If you drill deep enough it gets hot. Also, there are areas along the pacific cast and near Yellowstone where you could put a near endless amount of geothermal power plants and transmit the electricity wherever.


Can you provide technical or scientific references to technology that can extract geothermal head in sufficient quantity to run our industries. Scientific and technical publications only, if you please.

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20 Jun 2010, 4:11 pm

John_Browning wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Inventor wrote:
Geothermal is a biggie, clean, endless, and could replace coal. It is being held back because some people bought a lot of coal rights from their government friends.

It does not take the far future to have an Energy Plan, it only takes going around the existing energy plan.

The problem is not energy, there is a lot, it is the marketing network, and their hold on Congress.


Except for fortunate spots like Iceland we do not have easy access to the magma. Also there is no practical technology for breaching the Mohovoric discontinuity. It isn't easy to get to the hot stuff under our feet. Eventually we will find a way and we have have a billion years of relatively cheap energy.

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You don't necessarily need an extremely geologically active region for geothermal power. If you drill deep enough it gets hot. Also, there are areas along the pacific cast and near Yellowstone where you could put a near endless amount of geothermal power plants and transmit the electricity wherever.

You would need it to be hot enough to produce steam. It could work in some areas. The water would have to flow down into the earth, the steam would have to make it back up and still have enough force to turn the turbine. If you could find an underground source of steam, that would save you from having to get the water underground. Key states like Wyoming and Washington would monopolize the power plants. Many substations would have to be built. The lines coming from those initial plants would be enormous. People wouldn't be able to live very close to that kind of magnetism.



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21 Jun 2010, 12:33 am

There are other fluids with a lower flash point, work just as well, and underground supercooled transmission has next to no loss.

Nothing new, Tesla knew of all this.



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23 Jun 2010, 8:50 am

Yes, I understand there is a lot of damage to the enviroment and that can be devastating to the animals and other plant life that live there, but oil drilling is a livelihood over at the Gulf Coast and many states, including Louisiana, need the jobs there. And we can't stop drilling just because only one refinery blew up and spewed oil all over one spot of ocean. Some of those states need these jobs to stay because, right now, unemployment is high.



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24 Jun 2010, 12:11 pm

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Yes, I understand there is a lot of damage to the enviroment and that can be devastating to the animals and other plant life that live there, but oil drilling is a livelihood over at the Gulf Coast and many states, including Louisiana, need the jobs there. And we can't stop drilling just because only one refinery blew up and spewed oil all over one spot of ocean. Some of those states need these jobs to stay because, right now, unemployment is high.


They wer safety rules in place that would of prevented that spill. The problem was that those guidelines that wer in place wer not being fallowed because the inspections got lacked during Bush administration. It does NOT take 6 months to preform those inspections.
Has anyone seen the The Daily Show talking about Obama's Oil Spill Address :?: This is an example of why I'm disappointed & frustrated with the administration http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini ... 79394.html


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26 Jun 2010, 2:29 am

Alex is coming, the first Hurricane of the season. So far it looks like Texas, but it is early to tell.

Free oil is being delivered to the beaches of Florida, the front bumper of a sixty day long train.

So it starts.