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24 Jul 2011, 7:03 pm

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I was quite shocked when I looked at the online paper and saw this.
I was not really into her, but I was aware she had problems and was tortured and I suppose because I am quite sensitive myself, and have had eating issues etc, I could relate to her issues, if that is the right way to put it.
I think maybe she was simply too fragile to deal with the sort of lifestyle that celebrity landed her in.


I think you may be onto something there. The military has done studies on those going into combat, finding that the more robust individuals were the least likely to come back with mental issues. In other words, they could deal with the intense stress.

The same with people on the spectrum, some are more robust than others, and are less likely to suffer co-morbid issues than others.


I would agree with that, as I have met aspies who seem to have a shutoff mechanism to severe trauma and are able to somehow 'let go', while others seem to be very sensitive and can experience terrible problems from traumas in their lives, and are less equipped to deal emotionally with stress and 'bumps' so to speak.


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24 Jul 2011, 7:38 pm

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I was quite shocked when I looked at the online paper and saw this.
I was not really into her, but I was aware she had problems and was tortured and I suppose because I am quite sensitive myself, and have had eating issues etc, I could relate to her issues, if that is the right way to put it.
I think maybe she was simply too fragile to deal with the sort of lifestyle that celebrity landed her in.


I think you may be onto something there. The military has done studies on those going into combat, finding that the more robust individuals were the least likely to come back with mental issues. In other words, they could deal with the intense stress.

The same with people on the spectrum, some are more robust than others, and are less likely to suffer co-morbid issues than others.


I would agree with that, as I have met aspies who seem to have a shutoff mechanism to severe trauma and are able to somehow 'let go', while others seem to be very sensitive and can experience terrible problems from traumas in their lives, and are less equipped to deal emotionally with stress and 'bumps' so to speak.


I think Scientists and Engineers make up, for the most part a robust group of people that likely have many of the traits of Aspergers, except that many are solid as a rock, focused on what they are doing, and seem to be as stable of a group of people that I have seen.

Anxiety and Depression seem to be the major co-morbids associated with Aspergers, and there is no significant evidence I see of it in some of these people. The genetics of the brain may not be nearly as important as whether or not someone has a robust nature and good environment in determining how well someone deals with the innate structure of their brain.

Add in fragility a bad environment resulting anxiety and depression to about 30 percent of the population with basic asperger traits and we might have 30 percent of the population with a diagnosis.

In fact add in fragility, a bad environment resulting anxiety and depression to 100 percent of the general population and we might have a majority of the population with some kind of chronic psychological diagnosis.



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24 Jul 2011, 8:11 pm

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[quote="Justin Bieber turns 27 in 2021.

Patience, everybody. :twisted:

LMAO!! !! !! !! !! Wow everyone hates Justin Bieber huh?


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24 Jul 2011, 10:26 pm

aghogday wrote:
I would agree with that, as I have met aspies who seem to have a shutoff mechanism to severe trauma and are able to somehow 'let go', while others seem to be very sensitive and can experience terrible problems from traumas in their lives, and are less equipped to deal emotionally with stress and 'bumps' so to speak.

I think Scientists and Engineers make up, for the most part a robust group of people that likely have many of the traits of Aspergers, except that many are solid as a rock, focused on what they are doing, and seem to be as stable of a group of people that I have seen.

There is no psychological screening test that can accurately determine who will experience psychological problems from combat in general or if someone is likely to have psychological problems from certain situations but not others.


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25 Jul 2011, 8:42 pm

Is it bad or wrong that I've never even heard of Amy Winehouse until they mentioned her death on the TV? But I live in Canada, so I guess the world starts at Europe, ends in the US, and passes Canada without so much as a glance.
Of course, thanks to the American media, I will probably learn much more about her than I ever needed to know in the next few months, just like when Anna Nicole Smith died. :roll:
I'm sorry if I offended anyone out there, that's just how I feel.



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25 Jul 2011, 9:11 pm

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Is it bad or wrong that I've never even heard of Amy Winehouse until they mentioned her death on the TV? But I live in Canada, so I guess the world starts at Europe, ends in the US, and passes Canada without so much as a glance.
Of course, thanks to the American media, I will probably learn much more about her than I ever needed to know in the next few months, just like when Anna Nicole Smith died. :roll:
I'm sorry if I offended anyone out there, that's just how I feel.


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26 Jul 2011, 12:35 am

what is with the curse of 27?? I mean is that when the drug/celeberty lifestyle finally catches up with the mind and body??
How is it that the rolling stomes and areosmith can drug themselves stupid, then bounce back while those in the 27 club could not??

I wonder if 27 is a common age of drug related deaths amony the not so famous??

more questions than answers.

I remember when Kurt Cobain died...something in me died with him. He was Elvis to me.

Although I never knew of Amy Winehouse...I am sure she will be missed.


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26 Jul 2011, 4:48 pm

There is no such thing as the curse of the twenty sevens. It is a terrible coincidence that all of those celebrities died from drug or alcohol problems at that age. Amy Winehouse must have been extremely troubled. May she finally find peace in the afterlife.



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26 Jul 2011, 4:59 pm

After listening to that smug music video seemingly proud on refusing rehab, I lost all respect for her. Her friends and family wanted to help, and she mocked them. It might seem harsh for me to say but if people play with their life like it's a game, don't be surprised when they loose it. I bet her death is health related either as a direct or indirect consequence of her poor choices.

She was talented though, and her music was very enjoyable. It is unfortunate she is gone but not surprising.



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27 Jul 2011, 8:39 am

Take it I don't know a lot about her outside of her music but I have a hunch that she may have had no desire to pass 30. Some people would just rather die than fade.


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28 Jul 2011, 12:01 am

Hello,

For those who love(d) her, here she is, at Belfort, in 2007.

Hope she enjoyed it as much as the audience.

Eurokéennes de Belfort, 2007, Amy Whinehouse and the Men in Black, the whole concert.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/ioVyT1MM5pE[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/QpIIlqwTVHU[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/ygITHVr3pgQ[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/sXRxTP8oebg[/youtube]



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28 Jul 2011, 12:02 am

Ah sorry, the videos don't show but the adresses are good.
... Maybe it's only for Europeans, I don't know.



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28 Jul 2011, 10:44 am

She looked like an infectious rat, ripped a sound from about 30 years ago and died probably the way everyone knee she would. I laughed so hard when they tried to say she died because of deliriums tremens associated with stopping drinking. Are the media so stupid to think that the public would lap that up? Hopefully nobody did because she probably died on a load of drugs since I heard she cancelled her tour previously after being booed off stage in the first concert for sounding like how she looks.



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28 Jul 2011, 10:48 am

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She looked like an infectious rat, ripped a sound from about 30 years ago and died probably the way everyone knew she would. I laughed so hard when they tried to say she died because of deliriums tremens associated with stopping drinking. Are the media so stupid to think that the public would lap that up? Hopefully nobody did because she probably died on a load of drugs since I heard she cancelled her tour previously after being booed off stage in the first concert for sounding like how she looks.



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28 Jul 2011, 11:58 am

Lol, tell us how you really feel...


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29 Jul 2011, 12:20 am

Amy Winehouse again, in Italy this time.
"... brutalemente onestà..."

The song starts at almost 1:00

"Back to black" - Amy Winehouse
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmiAgVUoUDk&feature=related[/youtube]