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06 Sep 2015, 9:16 pm

I tell the truth if you take it as trolling that's a misinterpretation on your end. Like I said, man up, grow a pair, and give me a real argument, not the tired wishy washy BS stuff you've thrown out so far-- because to be honest it's not worth my time hearing you regurgitate talking points I've already heard on clear channel. I claim the overarching reason you don't like immigration or in this case refugees is personal greed. You say it's self-preservation. I call BS, you live in a country where self-preservation due to lack of resources hasn't been a valid argument since the industrial revolution. Prove me wrong. Balls in your court.

Edit: if you're concerned about the tone, well tough nuts, that's the tone your side uses and I'm adopting it for this one, so just get over it already.



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06 Sep 2015, 9:45 pm

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I tell the truth if you take it as trolling that's a misinterpretation on your end. Like I said, man up, grow a pair, and give me a real argument, not the tired wishy washy BS stuff you've thrown out so far-- because to be honest it's not worth my time hearing you regurgitate talking points I've already heard on clear channel.

But despite my un-nutted, time-wasting childishness you STILL reply. Trying that hard to vindicate yourself must be tiresome.

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I claim the overarching reason you don't like immigration or in this case refugees is personal greed. You say it's self-preservation. I call BS, you live in a country where self-preservation due to lack of resources hasn't been a valid argument since the industrial revolution. Prove me wrong.
This from someone that admits they don't have very many refugees where they live and therefor won’t have to deal with it.
Your words:
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Refugees specifically, no, we don't get many of those in southwest Colorado.

Gets back to the high horse thing that you keep validating for me.
Thanks.

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Balls in your court.
I thought you said I didn’t have any.

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Edit: if you're concerned about the tone, well tough nuts, that's the tone your side uses and I'm adopting it for this one, so just get over it already.

Nuts and balls sure seem to occupy your mind a lot.
Concern? Don’t flatter yourself. Your tone is a welcome change. I haven’t had anyone with any spunk to spar with in three years. Keep it up.

Look back at my posts from 2011-12 and sample some of my finer handiwork.


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06 Sep 2015, 9:57 pm

^^^^
So, are you bragging or complaining? Or are you just being a typical narcissistic ass?

(Returning to lurk mode)



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06 Sep 2015, 10:06 pm

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^^^^
So, are you bragging or complaining? Or are you just being a typical narcissistic ass?

(Returning to lurk mode)

If you're referring to my comment about past handiwork those posts are mostly all in PPR where people don't go to be coddled.
Narcissistic? That's a first.
Now, I have had a few people in PPR call me or refer to me as a "sick sociopath" and a few other cherished labels but not yet a narcissist.
Thank you for giving me something else to add to my dossier. :D


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06 Sep 2015, 10:54 pm

^^^(Meant for Raptor)
More's the pity on you. You're sounding more like one of my roommates, whom I'm trying to get evicted. He's diagnosed ADHD, but that doesn't give him an excuse to act like a rude asswipe. I seldom leave my room now because of his antics (as well as protect my property, since he's been known to take my stuff, whether it be food, my iPad, my iPhone, my Mac Mini server (which is my music composition workstation), my iPod or my car keys and car, with or without my permission. I've been nothing but nice to this guy, and he treats me like sh!t. I've had a few other so-called friends treat me like sh!t lately, and I'm damn near fed up! If I'm lucky, I might be able to get into senior public housing in a few years in York, Lancaster, Gettysburg, Carlisle, or Chambers-burg. I'm also tired of his bitching because he can't stand his job (he works as a clerk in a convenience store. Before that, he worked for Animal Control and a personal trainer at Gold's Gym, of which he was fired from both jobs, and he purposely is trying to get fired from this job. Many a times in the past few weeks I was ready to tell him to shut the f!ck up, suck it up and just do the damn duties of his job without complaining and with a forced smile on his face. I didn't say anything because he has already told me he has no respect for me, the other roommates here in the house, or his coworkers. As a matter of fact, he considers me the most negative person around. Never mind, that I'm 38 years his senior, his opinion is I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground. Right now, if I had a meat cleaver, I'd be using it on his, as well as a few other people's, heads.

Of course, what do you care? You've already labeled me as a panty-waist wimp who'd be better off living in a nanny state....



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06 Sep 2015, 11:49 pm

I thought you were just going to lurk.

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^^^(Meant for Raptor)
More's the pity on you. You're sounding more like one of my roommates, whom I'm trying to get evicted. He's diagnosed ADHD, but that doesn't give him an excuse to act like a rude asswipe.

Well, I won't stand down from an insult and put my tail between my legs. I'll either toss one back atcha or even expand upon it like I've done in this case.
You can't beat The Rap. :P

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I seldom leave my room now because of his antics (as well as protect my property, since he's been known to take my stuff, whether it be food, my iPad, my iPhone, my Mac Mini server (which is my music composition workstation), my iPod or my car keys and car, with or without my permission. I've been nothing but nice to this guy, and he treats me like sh!t. I've had a few other so-called friends treat me like sh!t lately, and I'm damn near fed up! If I'm lucky, I might be able to get into senior public housing in a few years in York, Lancaster, Gettysburg, Carlisle, or Chambers-burg. I'm also tired of his bitching because he can't stand his job (he works as a clerk in a convenience store. Before that, he worked for Animal Control and a personal trainer at Gold's Gym, of which he was fired from both jobs, and he purposely is trying to get fired from this job. Many a times in the past few weeks I was ready to tell him to shut the f!ck up, suck it up and just do the damn duties of his job without complaining and with a forced smile on his face. I didn't say anything because he has already told me he has no respect for me, the other roommates here in the house, or his coworkers. As a matter of fact, he considers me the most negative person around. Never mind, that I'm 38 years his senior, his opinion is I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground. Right now, if I had a meat cleaver, I'd be using it on his, as well as a few other people's, heads.

So keep your stuff locked up in YOUR room. If he steals your car that would be auto theft which is a felony that carries up to 7 years in PA.
Stealing your food? Make up a batch of Exlax brownies and leave them where he'll find them. He won't be able to get off the can for a few days.

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Of course, what do you care? You've already labeled me as a panty-waist wimp who'd be better off living in a nanny state....

Where did i label you as a pantywaste wimp? Go back and find it please. If I said you belong in a nanny state (I have been known to tell people that) it was only because you implied that you needed or wanted to live in one.

PS: Are you and Aristophanes trying to get this thread locked?


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06 Sep 2015, 11:50 pm

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And what does your avatar say about you? The most prominent feature is a rainbow and I know what that means. :wink:


That avatar came from, IIRC, a megahit album from some 1960's acid rock group, the name I can't remember right now.



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06 Sep 2015, 11:58 pm

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You, not I, are the one that brought the US into it. I thought we were talking about Europe. And how can I possibly get in the way? Do you envision me manning a checkpoint at the German border or something?

Then why the hell are you asking me if I have refugees here in Colorado numbnuts? And manning a German border, no, they have standards.

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Now we're back to the US again with a little accusation of racism on top like a cherry on top of a sundae.
Sweet

Admitting your a racist is only the first step, there's still like 11 more, don't be so proud of yourself just yet.

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Oh, I doubt that it has but you're welcome just the same.

I live in a county full of ignorant rednecks and I didn't go into town this week, so they're probably a little dumber and I was kind of bored-- you filled that niche admirably and thus the compliment was sincere.

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The one before that was the insignia of the 3rd SS Panzer Division (caused lots of butthurt).

I saw it, that being said, am I supposed to be surprised? Or did you want a pat on the back for what's just plain bad artistic taste?
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And what does your avatar say about you? The most prominent feature is a rainbow and I know what that means. :wink:

Sorry bro, I'm not gay so you'll have to look elsewhere. Not that there's anything wrong with that and I'm not judging you for your sexual preferences. That being said if you're not familiar with Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon that actually makes me feel really good-- shows some things can actually repel ignorance.



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07 Sep 2015, 12:05 am

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Well, I won't stand down from an insult and put my tail between my legs. I'll either toss one back atcha or even expand upon it like I've done in this case.

Well then, we're at standstill, because I'm not backing down to an insult either. I've been around enough people like you to know you're all show and no substance, why on earth would I back down to you? I mean you haven't answered a single question I've asked, you've been dodging the debate since page 2, I mean all the lurkers here what do you think they see? You think they see some tough alpha prototype? Hell no, they see a dude dodging the questions like a slimy politician would.



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07 Sep 2015, 12:14 am

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I thought you were just going to lurk.


Not when you're asking for it.

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Well, I won't stand down from an insult and put my tail between my legs. I'll either toss one back atcha or even expand upon it like I've done in this case.
You can't beat The Rap. :P


Fine. However, one of these days you're going to insult the wrong person. Next thing you know, No Raptor.


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Of course, what do you care? You've already labeled me as a panty-waist wimp who'd be better off living in a nanny state....
Where did i label you as a pantywaste wimp? Go back and find it please. If I said you belong in a nanny state (I have been known to tell people that) it was only because you implied that you needed or wanted to live in one.


You implied as such when you suggested I go live in a nanny state.

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PS: Are you and Aristophanes trying to get this thread locked?


Now that you mentioned it....

As far as I'm concerned, this thread has devolved to ad hominem attacks. Godwin's law is being invoked now.



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07 Sep 2015, 12:18 am

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As far as I'm concerned, this thread has devolved to ad hominem attacks. Godwin's law is being invoked now.


Well yeah, if he's not backing down and I'm not backing down it's either go all the way or lock it up. I'd much rather go all the way because I have the winning hand, but I understand the concern the mods may have.



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07 Sep 2015, 12:39 am

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You, not I, are the one that brought the US into it. I thought we were talking about Europe. And how can I possibly get in the way? Do you envision me manning a checkpoint at the German border or something?

Then why the hell are you asking me if I have refugees here in Colorado numbnuts? And manning a German border, no, they have standards.

Another Image and more obsessing over nuts
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Raptor wrote:
Now we're back to the US again with a little accusation of racism on top like a cherry on top of a sundae.
Sweet

Admitting your a racist is only the first step, there's still like 11 more, don't be so proud of yourself just yet.

Doesn't explain you hopping back and forth from the US to Europe that you've been doing on this.
Another dodge.

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Oh, I doubt that it has but you're welcome just the same.

I live in a county full of ignorant rednecks and I didn't go into town this week, so they're probably a little dumber and I was kind of bored-- you filled that niche admirably and thus the compliment was sincere.

'Fraid iffn you go to town they'll whoop up on ya, eh?

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The one before that was the insignia of the 3rd SS Panzer Division (caused lots of butthurt).

I saw it, that being said, am I supposed to be surprised? Or did you want a pat on the back for what's just plain bad artistic taste?

I thought it looked pretty striking. Would you have prefered SS runes?
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And what does your avatar say about you? The most prominent feature is a rainbow and I know what that means. :wink:

Sorry bro, I'm not gay so you'll have to look elsewhere. Not that there's anything wrong with that and I'm not judging you for your sexual preferences.
Who said anything about gay?

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That being said if you're not familiar with Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon that actually makes me feel really good-- shows some things can actually repel ignorance.

Any Pink Floyd I have came off if iTunes and that didnt include the artwork.


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07 Sep 2015, 12:47 am

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Well, I won't stand down from an insult and put my tail between my legs. I'll either toss one back atcha or even expand upon it like I've done in this case.
You can't beat The Rap. :P

Fine. However, one of these days you're going to insult the wrong person. Next thing you know, No Raptor.

1. Who did I insult? Don't blame it if you can't name it.
2. You're implying that someone's going to kill me.


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Of course, what do you care? You've already labeled me as a panty-waist wimp who'd be better off living in a nanny state....

Where did i label you as a pantywaste wimp? Go back and find it please. If I said you belong in a nanny state (I have been known to tell people that) it was only because you implied that you needed or wanted to live in one.


You implied as such when you suggested I go live in a nanny state.

That's reading a lot into it and you still haven't shown me a link to that thread where I said it.


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07 Sep 2015, 4:29 am

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Meistersinger wrote:
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Well, I won't stand down from an insult and put my tail between my legs. I'll either toss one back atcha or even expand upon it like I've done in this case.
You can't beat The Rap. :P

Fine. However, one of these days you're going to insult the wrong person. Next thing you know, No Raptor.

1. Who did I insult? Don't blame it if you can't name it.
2. You're implying that someone's going to kill me.


1. Every time someone expresses an opinion you don't agree with, you come back with an insult. It gets old and moldy after a while.

2. Take that implication any way you want!

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Of course, what do you care? You've already labeled me as a panty-waist wimp who'd be better off living in a nanny state....

Where did i label you as a pantywaste wimp? Go back and find it please. If I said you belong in a nanny state (I have been known to tell people that) it was only because you implied that you needed or wanted to live in one.


You implied as such when you suggested I go live in a nanny state.

That's reading a lot into it and you still haven't shown me a link to that thread where I said it.


It's too damn late for me to find it. I'm having enough problems trying to sleep, no thanks to allergies, heartburn, and a flare up of colitis. Besides, I've already invoked Godwin's law, so why is this flame fest still continuing?



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07 Sep 2015, 5:41 am

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It's a strain on resources is mostly what it is and it adds to the competition for jobs. It's human nature for people (the ones that work for a living) to be alarmed (pissed off) about having tens or hundreds of thousands of refugees offloaded on them all the sudden.

If said refuges are worth the time of day they'll make it despite the hardships. When my ancestors came here from Germany and Ireland it was during the times when people were fleeing both countries in droves making them refugees. They were treated like the scum of the earth in this country but made something of themselves despite the adversities they faced. I don't see how it's much different now.


I'm inclined to side with the right wing on this one. Developed countries have quality of life standards that are threatened when faced with an influx of refugees. I think temporary asylum based on risk to life is justifiable but I don't understand the logic why Syrian muslims (who can safely live in other muslim countries) would try and bypass safe passage and get into "infidel" dominated countries? can only be economic reasons and this is not justifiable and should be blocked, otherwise it will strain social services of western countries to breaking point.


The ME is awash with oil. The Saudis who manage the Islamic world are corrupt as hell. And the rest of the world beyond the muslim world which is also globalising at a phenomenal rate, from China to India and the West in between, needs that oil. Islam remains marooned in Biblical economics and will be a while reforming in order to join the globalising train...in the meantime, throwbacks such as ISIS are running around the place like halfwits trying to reinvent the past...the Muslim refugee problem will be around for at least the next decade...there is no way that borders can go up as the markets would rebel and cripple global business...thus I suggest getting used to the demographic instability that has yet to run itself out.



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07 Sep 2015, 5:50 am

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^^^(Meant for Raptor)
More's the pity on you. You're sounding more like one of my roommates, whom I'm trying to get evicted. He's diagnosed ADHD, but that doesn't give him an excuse to act like a rude asswipe. I seldom leave my room now because of his antics (as well as protect my property, since he's been known to take my stuff, whether it be food, my iPad, my iPhone, my Mac Mini server (which is my music composition workstation), my iPod or my car keys and car, with or without my permission. I've been nothing but nice to this guy, and he treats me like sh!t. I've had a few other so-called friends treat me like sh!t lately, and I'm damn near fed up! If I'm lucky, I might be able to get into senior public housing in a few years in York, Lancaster, Gettysburg, Carlisle, or Chambers-burg. I'm also tired of his bitching because he can't stand his job (he works as a clerk in a convenience store. Before that, he worked for Animal Control and a personal trainer at Gold's Gym, of which he was fired from both jobs, and he purposely is trying to get fired from this job. Many a times in the past few weeks I was ready to tell him to shut the f!ck up, suck it up and just do the damn duties of his job without complaining and with a forced smile on his face. I didn't say anything because he has already told me he has no respect for me, the other roommates here in the house, or his coworkers. As a matter of fact, he considers me the most negative person around. Never mind, that I'm 38 years his senior, his opinion is I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground. Right now, if I had a meat cleaver, I'd be using it on his, as well as a few other people's, heads.

Of course, what do you care? You've already labeled me as a panty-waist wimp who'd be better off living in a nanny state....


Protectionists are out of touch with reality. There is no way anyone, even Trump can stop a borderless world. If Trump for example tried, his wealth would evaporate so ignore these people and watch them learn a lesson when Trump, if he is elected, does a U turn literally overnight.