How do you suppose we help would be school shooters?
Some kids in high school have an obsession with horror movies or death metal music and violent lyrics. They dress scary too, but a lot of the kids are harmless and just having fun. rawing skulls and violent pictures and their own comics. I used to do that somewhat too some. So dont assume every person who wears black or likes hardcore music or some future shooter.
It really is how they treat others and if they have made some kind of threat or sign they want to kill someone. Some school shooters look really normal as well.
By the way why limit it to schools? Why not malls, theaters, streets etc? Call them rampage shooters and spree shooters.
The Portland Mall shooter who shot a lot of people and killed 2 just 2 days before Sandy Hook looked like a normal guy who liked BMX bikes and things.
There are awareness programs to identify people at risk of suicide. Similar could be done for these situations. The number of incidents each year is small, but there's probably a larger number of people who wish they could do it and they need some kind of treatment or intervention.
I don't know how these kids were given all these guns by their parents. What if Mercer's mom had spent the money buying her son prostitutes instead?
And has been for centuries; Japan also has a massively high suicide rate and a virtually non-existent violent crime rate period, pointing to the importance of culture and the irrelevance of gun laws when it comes to these issues. I suspect you could flood Japan with Glocks tomorrow and not really move the needle much, where as here in the States we regularly kill each other with whatever we have handy, including our bare hands in a pinch, and the underlying reason for that has nothing to do with gun ownership.
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It seems like most of these Columbine type shooters were both:troubled for a long time prior to doing the shooting, and during the long period of being troubled their parents gifted them with guns, and encouraged their interest in fire arms.
You might try some kind of intervention based on this and find the result is many many 'false positives'.
Plenty of projectile weapons which use something other than low explosives...
Many tools can be used as weapons. If anything Isiah 2:3-4 has things backwards. With agricultural tools having been used to equip armies.
Interesting that nobody ever advocates banning cars. Which are by far the most lethal machines in general usage.
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Does anyone else think that the problem is not the shooters, but the environment that creates them? The school system is fundamentally flawed. Education is necessary, but delivering it in these prison-like institutions is more harmful than it's worth.
Society has to think about education and child-rearing in a different way. More homeschooling via the internet would be a start. It would take a shift in the economy as currently one parent staying at home with their child is financially impossible.
I'd like to say that people should only have kids if they're actually interested in rearing them, rather than abandoning them to caregivers, but that would be politically incorrect and it wouldn't happen anyway.
The school system is unhealthy and I think these killers are a natural response to a harmful environment. The system has to become more supportive of differing norms. And go back to being more community based.
Society has to think about education and child-rearing in a different way. More homeschooling via the internet would be a start. It would take a shift in the economy as currently one parent staying at home with their child is financially impossible.
I'd like to say that people should only have kids if they're actually interested in rearing them, rather than abandoning them to caregivers, but that would be politically incorrect and it wouldn't happen anyway.
The school system is unhealthy and I think these killers are a natural response to a harmful environment. The system has to become more supportive of differing norms. And go back to being more community based.
we'd be better off with a tiered education system like Germany but it would never be politically feasible here
Does anyone else think that it is stupid to blame anyone else but the murderer?
After all, it was not the parents who pulled the trigger, nor was it the teachers, the other students, nor even the people who allegedly bullied the murderer.
No, it was the murderer who picked up the weapon, loaded it, took aim, and pulled the trigger.
Yet, there are people who will blame everyone except the murderer, and who will even use the term "shooter" instead, so as to not place any blame by implication on the murderer himself.
The murderer is to blame for the murders he committed, and no one else.
After all, it was not the parents who pulled the trigger, nor was it the teachers, the other students, nor even the people who allegedly bullied the murderer.
No, it was the murderer who picked up the weapon, loaded it, took aim, and pulled the trigger.
Yet, there are people who will blame everyone except the murderer, and who will even use the term "shooter" instead, so as to not place any blame by implication on the murderer himself.
The murderer is to blame for the murders he committed, and no one else.
Most people don't like a fatalistic approach to things like this even tho there is a lot of truth in that we live in a country of over 300 million people where **** happens. You have a much bigger chance of being killed by a cop than by some spree shooter or terrorist but what is obsessed over? It takes literal civil unrest to get the media to care about the police and even then what comes of it? We have an all encompassing media and there are ideologues who never let a good crisis go to waste, vultures ready to pounce before the dead have even been counted.
But yes, if this universe is just then Chris Harper-Mercer will get the judgement he deserves 10 fold for the rest of eternity.
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After all, it was not the parents who pulled the trigger, nor was it the teachers, the other students, nor even the people who allegedly bullied the murderer.
No, it was the murderer who picked up the weapon, loaded it, took aim, and pulled the trigger.
Yet, there are people who will blame everyone except the murderer, and who will even use the term "shooter" instead, so as to not place any blame by implication on the murderer himself.
The murderer is to blame for the murders he committed, and no one else.
Black and white thinking. Both can be to blame.
I use the term shooter because I believe that it is inevitable that there will be shooters when children are raised in the environment that they are now.
Society has to think about education and child-rearing in a different way. More homeschooling via the internet would be a start. It would take a shift in the economy as currently one parent staying at home with their child is financially impossible.
I'd like to say that people should only have kids if they're actually interested in rearing them, rather than abandoning them to caregivers, but that would be politically incorrect and it wouldn't happen anyway.
The school system is unhealthy and I think these killers are a natural response to a harmful environment. The system has to become more supportive of differing norms. And go back to being more community based.
Yup. Very much agree that the environment and culture play the biggest part.
I'm not so sure about home schooling via the internet.
I do think we should become more collectivist. American and UK are largely individualistic. The focus is on yourself only and not upon how everyone can work together for the benefit of all.
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Society has to think about education and child-rearing in a different way. More homeschooling via the internet would be a start. It would take a shift in the economy as currently one parent staying at home with their child is financially impossible.
I'd like to say that people should only have kids if they're actually interested in rearing them, rather than abandoning them to caregivers, but that would be politically incorrect and it wouldn't happen anyway.
The school system is unhealthy and I think these killers are a natural response to a harmful environment. The system has to become more supportive of differing norms. And go back to being more community based.
Yup. Very much agree that the environment and culture play the biggest part.
I'm not so sure about home schooling via the internet.
I do think we should become more collectivist. American and UK are largely individualistic. The focus is on yourself only and not upon how everyone can work together for the benefit of all.
Too individualistic as opposed to where that is so collectivist and great? Canada and the UK are probably two of the most looked up to countries by leftists in the US, maybe it's just the shared cultural heritage but those are the country's people go on and on about and they're too individualistic? That and Scandinavia I guess, I don't think Scandinavia is doing that great or is at all sustainable. Somewhere really collectivist would be east Asian countries and they're not societies I really think is more caring or mentally healthy.
How does socialized medicine handle mental health? It wouldn't seem like it would lend itself to it considering the wait times.
the UK is not a good country to look up to. Especially nowadays. Try Europe ie Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland. Much much better countries all round.
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Well you have me on Switzerland but it's usually libertarians that hold them up, most leftists in this country either completely ignore the Swiss or condemn them as some evil banking villain. They also kind of destroy any gun control argument since they actually require their militia store automatic "assault rifles" in their homes and they have which encompasses most of the young men in the country and they have one lowest homicide rates in the world. The Swiss did kind of sell out when they joined the UN in 2002 tho.
No. Gun nut parents who arm and train their mentally unstable kids to use firearms, are at very least 50% responsible for any crimes that kid commits. A kid with the same mental condition in another family without guns, would be far less likely to commit gun crimes.
Parents need to accept responsibility. As a matter of fact the greater society has got to accept responsibility for it. Other wise the problem will just continue.
What total BS pro gun nonsense. Switzerland certainly does not destroy any gun control argument. It is proof that gun control does work. It should be a model for the US. Even with military weapons included, gun possession in Switzerland is a fraction what it is in the US. They don't allow crazy people do buy guns like the US does. All guns are registered in Switzerland, and the only way the Swiss can buy a gun is with a weapons acquisition permit. Which is the way it should be in the US.

