Women accusing Trump of Sexual Harassment are liars
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If powerful men like Cosby and Weinstein can be guilty of sexual assault, why not Trump, who bragged about being a serial p*ssy grabber?
No he didn't he made a Joke about what rich guys can get away with and how women behave around them.
Exactly. He was making it clear consent was involved. But in order to villify, you have to disregard that part.
Apparently in liberalism a woman allowing a man to touch her vagina is like a Victorian age no no.
I'm sorry, but you have to perform mental gymnastics to get around the fact that Trump was talking about himself. And if anything, rather than being an explanation of getting consent to touch a woman's vagina, this is really about Trump's contempt for women, and use of his status as a rich celebrity to violate them regardless if they wanted it or not.
I didn't say he wasn't talking about himself from personal experience. But I think he was also talking about the way people respond to celebrities in general.
The thing is he said, "they let you". People feel each other up all the time. They grab and fondle each others genitalia all the time. It's perfectly normal. It should be conservative fundies getting upset over that, not liberals. When someone lets you do something, they are not being violated. The point is, a person will let a celebrity do something they wouldn't let most anyone else do.
But the idea is to disregard all of that to purposely vilify by intentionally mislabeling it as violating.
That consent only existed in Trump's mind. It's a matter of power.
And yes, conservatives should be upset about Trump's vagina grabbing. It goes to show you, many conservatives (as do liberals) have a double standard toward vulgar sexual acts.
It's usually simply called getting to second base. Most guys get to second base more than once after they enter their teens. It's something that would normally only be considered a vulgar sexual act by a prude or religious fundamentalist.
There was no indication in Trump's statement that it was unwanted.
There's two choices:
A) He was bragging about women letting him get to second base.
Or
B) He was bragging about being a molester.
The former seems considerably more likely.
I doubt Trump ever gave consent a second thought.
I'm certain Trump doesn't see himself as a molester, but then again most molesters don't.
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If powerful men like Cosby and Weinstein can be guilty of sexual assault, why not Trump, who bragged about being a serial p*ssy grabber?
No he didn't he made a Joke about what rich guys can get away with and how women behave around them.
Exactly. He was making it clear consent was involved. But in order to villify, you have to disregard that part.
Apparently in liberalism a woman allowing a man to touch her vagina is like a Victorian age no no.
I'm sorry, but you have to perform mental gymnastics to get around the fact that Trump was talking about himself. And if anything, rather than being an explanation of getting consent to touch a woman's vagina, this is really about Trump's contempt for women, and use of his status as a rich celebrity to violate them regardless if they wanted it or not.
By very definition if they wanted it then its not a violation. These women are prostitutes they will let ugly old fat guys like Donald have sex with them for a chance at getting rich they are not representative of women in general.
There are plenty of women who say Trump's sexual advances were not welcome at all, but that didn't stop him.
And prostitutes? Bit of a low opinion of the women in question.
Women who are willing to have sex with Trump are attracted to what exactly? His dashing good looks? Charming personality? Witty intellect? No the only think he has going for him is money, these young attractive women only care about that I think most people would agree there is no difference between that and normal prostitution.
If powerful men like Cosby and Weinstein can be guilty of sexual assault, why not Trump, who bragged about being a serial p*ssy grabber?
No he didn't he made a Joke about what rich guys can get away with and how women behave around them.
Exactly. He was making it clear consent was involved. But in order to villify, you have to disregard that part.
Apparently in liberalism a woman allowing a man to touch her vagina is like a Victorian age no no.
I'm sorry, but you have to perform mental gymnastics to get around the fact that Trump was talking about himself. And if anything, rather than being an explanation of getting consent to touch a woman's vagina, this is really about Trump's contempt for women, and use of his status as a rich celebrity to violate them regardless if they wanted it or not.
By very definition if they wanted it then its not a violation. These women are prostitutes they will let ugly old fat guys like Donald have sex with them for a chance at getting rich they are not representative of women in general.
There are plenty of women who say Trump's sexual advances were not welcome at all, but that didn't stop him.
And prostitutes? Bit of a low opinion of the women in question.
Women who are willing to have sex with Trump are attracted to what exactly? His dashing good looks? Charming personality? Witty intellect? No the only think he has going for him is money, these young attractive women only care about that I think most people would agree there is no difference between that and normal prostitution.
Women who are sexually harassed or assaulted are not prostitutes just because the guy who harassed or assaulted them happens to have money. Did you miss the part where they didn't want anything to do with him sexually? Of course you intentionally did, because it ruins your narrative about women all being prostitutes.
If powerful men like Cosby and Weinstein can be guilty of sexual assault, why not Trump, who bragged about being a serial p*ssy grabber?
No he didn't he made a Joke about what rich guys can get away with and how women behave around them.
Exactly. He was making it clear consent was involved. But in order to villify, you have to disregard that part.
Apparently in liberalism a woman allowing a man to touch her vagina is like a Victorian age no no.
I'm sorry, but you have to perform mental gymnastics to get around the fact that Trump was talking about himself. And if anything, rather than being an explanation of getting consent to touch a woman's vagina, this is really about Trump's contempt for women, and use of his status as a rich celebrity to violate them regardless if they wanted it or not.
By very definition if they wanted it then its not a violation. These women are prostitutes they will let ugly old fat guys like Donald have sex with them for a chance at getting rich they are not representative of women in general.
There are plenty of women who say Trump's sexual advances were not welcome at all, but that didn't stop him.
And prostitutes? Bit of a low opinion of the women in question.
Women who are willing to have sex with Trump are attracted to what exactly? His dashing good looks? Charming personality? Witty intellect? No the only think he has going for him is money, these young attractive women only care about that I think most people would agree there is no difference between that and normal prostitution.
Women who are sexually harassed or assaulted are not prostitutes just because the guy who harassed or assaulted them happens to have money. Did you miss the part where they didn't want anything to do with him sexually? Of course you intentionally did, because it ruins your narrative about women all being prostitutes.
I didn't say there were, I was specifically was talking about Trump Joke about how women throw themselves at rich men, these women who are way out of his league are only interested in money.
The Trump "joke" was not about women throwing themselves at him, it was about him grabbing women without their consent--as B19 pointed out, silence does not equal consent. Saying women only want money when they claim they've been sexually harassed or assaulted is disgusting but not unexpected in this place, I very much expected some guy to put that idea forward here. There is no point in me tearing about your assertion as you won't listen, you've obviously already made up your mind about women and nothing I say will make any difference. Maybe if some guys here had the guts to point out the flaws in your reasoning you might listen to them, as anything is more believable to someone like you if it's being argued by a person with a penis.
The Trump "joke" was not about women throwing themselves at him, it was about him grabbing women without their consent--as B19 pointed out, silence does not equal consent. Saying women only want money when they claim they've been sexually harassed or assaulted is disgusting but not unexpected in this place, I very much expected some guy to put that idea forward here. There is no point in me tearing about your assertion as you won't listen, you've obviously already made up your mind about women and nothing I say will make any difference. Maybe if some guys here had the guts to point out the flaws in your reasoning you might listen to them, as anything is more believable to someone like you if it's being argued by a person with a penis.
He made a stupid joke in which he said they let you do anything that is clearly consent. I did not say that women who claim to have been assaulted or harassed were only after money, I said the ones who are actually willing to have sex with him are only after money.
The Trump "joke" was not about women throwing themselves at him, it was about him grabbing women without their consent--as B19 pointed out, silence does not equal consent. Saying women only want money when they claim they've been sexually harassed or assaulted is disgusting but not unexpected in this place, I very much expected some guy to put that idea forward here. There is no point in me tearing about your assertion as you won't listen, you've obviously already made up your mind about women and nothing I say will make any difference. Maybe if some guys here had the guts to point out the flaws in your reasoning you might listen to them, as anything is more believable to someone like you if it's being argued by a person with a penis.
He made a stupid joke in which he said they let you do anything that is clearly consent. I did not say that women who claim to have been assaulted or harassed were only after money, I said the ones who are actually willing to have sex with him are only after money.
This thread isn't about women who willingly had sex with Trump, it's about women who accused him of harassment and assault.
The Trump "joke" was not about women throwing themselves at him, it was about him grabbing women without their consent--as B19 pointed out, silence does not equal consent. Saying women only want money when they claim they've been sexually harassed or assaulted is disgusting but not unexpected in this place, I very much expected some guy to put that idea forward here. There is no point in me tearing about your assertion as you won't listen, you've obviously already made up your mind about women and nothing I say will make any difference. Maybe if some guys here had the guts to point out the flaws in your reasoning you might listen to them, as anything is more believable to someone like you if it's being argued by a person with a penis.
He made a stupid joke in which he said they let you do anything that is clearly consent. I did not say that women who claim to have been assaulted or harassed were only after money, I said the ones who are actually willing to have sex with him are only after money.
This thread isn't about women who willingly had sex with Trump, it's about women who accused him of harassment and assault.
People were claiming Trumps "grab them by the p****" comment was an admission of assault, it wasn't it was a joke. The joke being that some women will do anything to get with a rich and famous man.
I can understand that some males here (not many) genuinely don't/can't understand, because of their disability, why the Trumps of this world are sexual creeps committing criminal acts, and they don't get it. So for them, a few points to ponder (or, more preferably, learn off by heart):
Don’t touch. Keep your hands, arms, legs and everything else to yourself. That person you want to touch? Put them in charge of the whole touch experience if you absolutely must or think they want you too. Let them initiate any physical contact with explicit consent. This is a general rule to apply without exception. If you do touch someone and they say “don’t touch me,” or otherwise make it clear that touching was not something you should have done, the correct response is: “I apologize. I am sorry I made you uncomfortable.” And go away, leave them alone (forever). You have voluntary control over your behaviour and your muscles, and as we both know, sexual touching is not a reflexive action that you can't control. It wasn't involuntary for Trump, the Creeper in Chief, either. Please don't be an apologist for him or regard him as your role model, or he may lead you to a jail sentence and a listing on the sexual offenders' register.
Learn to realise and accept that other people don't exist just for your use, a lesson Trump never appeared to learn, because he appears to have been taught a sociopathic sense of entitlement from an early age, and in adulthood has not progressed beyond that. Don't be groper like Trump; or it may land you in jail. I hope you are better than that. The female sex doesn't exist to be the object of your amusement/interest/desire/use, and when a male projects that, through leering or staring and so on, he will come across as a creeper. When women reject you for this behaviour, reflect on it; don't assume they owe you receptivity or acceptance for your creep behaviours.
And, once again, (get the tattoo): silence is not consent.
The Trump "joke" was not about women throwing themselves at him, it was about him grabbing women without their consent--as B19 pointed out, silence does not equal consent. Saying women only want money when they claim they've been sexually harassed or assaulted is disgusting but not unexpected in this place, I very much expected some guy to put that idea forward here. There is no point in me tearing about your assertion as you won't listen, you've obviously already made up your mind about women and nothing I say will make any difference. Maybe if some guys here had the guts to point out the flaws in your reasoning you might listen to them, as anything is more believable to someone like you if it's being argued by a person with a penis.
He made a stupid joke in which he said they let you do anything that is clearly consent. I did not say that women who claim to have been assaulted or harassed were only after money, I said the ones who are actually willing to have sex with him are only after money.
This thread isn't about women who willingly had sex with Trump, it's about women who accused him of harassment and assault.
People were claiming Trumps "grab them by the p****" comment was an admission of assault, it wasn't it was a joke. The joke being that some women will do anything to get with a rich and famous man.
If you grab a woman without getting her consent first, as he "jokingly" claimed to do, and she says nothing (usually for fear of reprisal, not because she's "letting" him) that is assault. The fact that so many guys choose to misinterpret it as consensual is telling about the messed up ideas many guys have about consent. If you doubt me, go grab a female police officer by the p**** as a joke and see how funny she finds it.
Why do you need so badly to believe this was a joke, when multiple women have claimed that Trump has done to them exactly what he claimed to do? Do you not understand this gives the impression you are a rape-apologist, or do you just not care? What does that say about you? You might want to do some introspection on this issue.
The Trump "joke" was not about women throwing themselves at him, it was about him grabbing women without their consent--as B19 pointed out, silence does not equal consent. Saying women only want money when they claim they've been sexually harassed or assaulted is disgusting but not unexpected in this place, I very much expected some guy to put that idea forward here. There is no point in me tearing about your assertion as you won't listen, you've obviously already made up your mind about women and nothing I say will make any difference. Maybe if some guys here had the guts to point out the flaws in your reasoning you might listen to them, as anything is more believable to someone like you if it's being argued by a person with a penis.
He made a stupid joke in which he said they let you do anything that is clearly consent. I did not say that women who claim to have been assaulted or harassed were only after money, I said the ones who are actually willing to have sex with him are only after money.
This thread isn't about women who willingly had sex with Trump, it's about women who accused him of harassment and assault.
People were claiming Trumps "grab them by the p****" comment was an admission of assault, it wasn't it was a joke. The joke being that some women will do anything to get with a rich and famous man.
If you grab a woman without getting her consent first, as he "jokingly" claimed to do, and she says nothing (usually for fear of reprisal, not because she's "letting" him) that is assault. The fact that so many guys choose to misinterpret it as consensual is telling about the messed up ideas many guys have about consent. If you doubt me, go grab a female police officer by the p**** as a joke and see how funny she finds it.
Why do you need so badly to believe this was a joke, when multiple women have claimed that Trump has done to them exactly what he claimed to do? Do you not understand this gives the impression you are a rape-apologist, or do you just not care? What does that say about you? You might want to do some introspection on this issue.
He clearly said they let you do it, why would he sit in a van and admit to sexual assault? He was being an a***hole making a stupid joke, he didn't say he actually did it. People are just pretending to believe this is him admitting to sexual assault because they don't like him its intellectual dishonestly.
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