Mexico Rebukes US Over "Zero Tolerance" Immigration Policy

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05 Jul 2018, 6:04 pm

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Yawn. The Palestinian people will never give the fight for justice and neither will their supporters.


There are fine lines, and there are thin lines. You may yawn, but is it through having the intended benefits of your chosen audience to tame them with artefacts they don't know or don't really wish to know anything about?
Are you really chiming support for your cause, or is it really an act of self mercy to sacrifice case after case of class distinction in the far flung off corners of our military sphere that we can't even weigh out all our westernised statistics, threatening extinction beyond our fortunate realm of reality, pollution and disbelief?
If you wish to stick to the programme, don't try and make everyone out to be a martyr for it as they will accuse you of being bigoted and racially destructing a neat and tidy regime that is the Palestinian future of what is to come.

Question, If you are a such a martyr, would you die for a single lost cause in your name, such as reminding ourselves of old belief systems that come at a heavy marching price? :roll:



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05 Jul 2018, 6:15 pm

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Back to the people's discussion. Migrant children need their parents and families, not die hard supporters of Republican military regimes that end up dying mutilated, in a cage or' Out of sight, Out of mind' over the Mexican Jungle Wall, that is deemed Americas wasteland.
If you think we're so hard for coming out of Europe, well, at least we don't lock the poor in a filthy cage with rags and chains, we have a better prison system for housing refugees. We have a civil rights convention act of Parliament, and a formal dress code of bench conduct for our inmates. Shame the state don't pay them enough to do their job from axing them outright because of spending cuts, but that's the price we have to pay, and we won' t pay you a trade system that exploits and uses Mexicans or any other nationality with raw and unparalled inprecision.



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06 Jul 2018, 4:53 am

The government is struggling to reunite children with their parents:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hhs-under- ... r-parents/

Considering Trump's comments where he says these immigrants are "infesting" our country, and his fearmongering over MS-13 by greatly exaggerating their threat, I'm guessing this was by design. Generally, leaders who make those kinds of comments will push the limits of what they can do to hurt the targeted group.


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06 Jul 2018, 5:55 am

how is this not just as bad as ethnic cleansing?



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06 Jul 2018, 12:03 pm

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how is this not just as bad as ethnic cleansing?


I don't think this would reach the level required by the definition yet (as the Trump Administration is not yet going after a "substantial part" with this), but the forcible transfer of children is one of the acts of genocide, as defined internationally and in Title 18 United States Code Section 1091 "Genocide":

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Subsection a-6: Whoever, whether in time of peace or in time of war and with the specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group as such...transfers by force children of the group to another group...shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1091

If the government began putting the kids in foster care or up for adoption after deliberately separating them from their parents, that would fit within this type of act. But it would not rise to the level of genocide until they began to do this to a "substantial part" of the group.


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06 Jul 2018, 6:54 pm

^^^only because the info eventually leaked out and enough people were outraged. but i'm sure it could well have headed straight in that direction.



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06 Jul 2018, 6:59 pm

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^^^only because the info eventually leaked out and enough people were outraged. but i'm sure it could well have headed straight in that direction.

This doesn't really qualify as a leak. The images leaked, but the Trump administration explicitly initiated the policy of separating families as a way to discourage migrants and refugees, and to hurt them for the amusement of Stephen Miller.


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06 Jul 2018, 7:16 pm

little does that Stephen Miller character know what is in store for him when he least suspects it.



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06 Jul 2018, 7:23 pm

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little does that miller character know what is in store for him when he least suspects it.

Miller, and the all the MAGAts to whom his policies appeal. You know, he grew up in Santa Monica. Just goes to show, you never can tell.


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06 Jul 2018, 7:35 pm

hell's gotta be bottomless.



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07 Jul 2018, 3:07 pm

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Trump's... fearmongering over MS-13 by greatly exaggerating their threat...

LOL "Greatly exaggerated"? Some of this gang is in Maryland----lemme give you an example of what they like to do, for sport..... They cut out the hearts of LIVING people (they've done this more-than-once, in MD)! !

You're still quite amusing, I see----and, terribly un / ill-informed.....





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07 Jul 2018, 3:24 pm

No one is denying that. What's problematic is the insinuation that everyone of a certain nationality is guilty by association. Practice what you preach, if you consider yourself patriotic you should consider them innocent until proven guilty.


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07 Jul 2018, 4:32 pm

Migrant child return to parent after 85 days, with their body covered in lice:

http://thehill.com/latino/395752-lawsui ... er-85-days


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07 Jul 2018, 7:02 pm

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While it is sometimes necessary to separate the children from the adults in these facilities to ensure the safety of the children, I don't believe the children should be completely seperated from the children. Young children should be kept with mothers or female gaurdians in the women's ward and young children who arrived with male guardians should be housed in a children's ward where their guardians can be with them during the day.

That being said, I think a more long-term solution to this problem is prohibit applications for asylum or refugee status from within the country and require people apply from outside the country. Most of the people claiming Asylum or Refugee status are not fleeing from oppressive government entities within their own country, they are fleeing local violence.

Increase the number of unskilled work visas to reflect the reality thst most farm and agricultural workers in the U.S. are undocumented migrant workers who's families have been working in these professions for generations and who routinely travel between the U.S. and Mexico following the work.

Those two moves right there will greatly alleviate the problem of detention and the burden on the tax payer and border patrol.

Concerning Mexico making any criticisms of the U.S., Mexico's failure to flourish economically, supress the drug trade, protect it's people from crime and violence on an astounding level, and secure it's own borders is entirely Mexico's fault, or rather the fault of it's corrupt politicians and the inherited Spanish class system, and I've yet to see Mexico officially take ownership of this. They continue to blame the United States for their problems, citing that the drug trade wouldn't exist if Americans stopped buying drugs. That is a straw man argument meant to deflect the responsibility they have over the state of their economy.



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07 Jul 2018, 7:12 pm

I'm old enough to recall that Israel put up that wall in response to waves of suicide bombings.

Unfortunately they were not prudent in their placement of it and it ended up bisecting personal property and Palestinian villages, in some instances, cutting villages off from water supplies and farming families off from their crops.



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08 Jul 2018, 6:37 am

Chronos wrote:
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Most of the people claiming Asylum or Refugee status are not fleeing from oppressive government entities within their own country, they are fleeing local violence.

Increase the number of unskilled work visas to reflect the reality that most farm and agricultural workers in the U.S. are undocumented migrant workers, who's families have been working in these professions for generations and who routinely travel between the U.S. and Mexico following the work.

Those two moves right there will greatly alleviate the problem of detention and the burden on the tax payer and border patrol.

Concerning Mexico making any criticisms of the U.S., Mexico's failure to flourish economically, supress the drug trade, protect it's people from crime and violence on an astounding level, and secure it's own borders is entirely Mexico's fault, or rather the fault of it's corrupt politicians and the inherited Spanish class system, and I've yet to see Mexico officially take ownership of this.


I don't think you are understanding or indeed apprehending the flow of debate very well here, as from what the whole wide world can see is Trump trying to banish migrants from their shores ENTIRELY and targeting all Muslim countries in general.
The only burden on the tax payer is the fact that he has also tried to scrap Obama Care, he can hardly call it Trump Care. We also have problems in our NHS, but the government isn't looking to scrap it, that is yet to be confirmed, how much tax needs paying. The ownership as it still stands I think, needs to be shared across the borders of Mexico on order to create a long lasting agreement and settlement improving relations between borders. Our borders co- exist with France, and customs and immigration are trying to continue to import and export goods from France as part of equal trading rituals.
America is a big enough country once dubbed,' The land of Equal Opportunity' and you're not going to continue to get unskilled workers, or even skilled ones between the borders until Congress stop arguing with Republicans about visas and numbers with a right to decent passage.