Cardinal Pell Acqitted by high court

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13 Apr 2020, 8:10 am

It may not be so much that Mr. Pell is innocent of the charges as the prosecution bungled the investigation.


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13 Apr 2020, 9:48 am

If the old devil did commit those acts,I hope he catches the coronavirus and takes a turn for the worst.


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14 Apr 2020, 4:43 am

The old devil is well connected among the hierarchy of the catholic church and with catholic world leaders. I think he will see him retire in relative peace.

As with Kristina Blassey-Ford it takes a lot of bravery for victims of sexual assault (where the predator is high profile) to openly come out in public knowing they risk destroying their lives and that of their families from a well bankrolled orchestrated smear campaign.



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14 Apr 2020, 7:25 am

Either the evidence in a case is substantial and compelling enough for a guilty verdict or it's not.

And one can not properly judge an outcome if one is swayed by bias or prejudice or preference.

If a person wants someone to be found guilty, then that is likely what they are going to stay with.

That is why jury selection is so important.



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14 Apr 2020, 7:44 am

Yep. A jury of your “peers.”

Originally, a “peer” was a member of your social class.

If a yeoman, say, was charged with a crime, a jury of fellow yeoman or people in a similar “class” would have been chosen. A yeoman couldn’t have been judged by a jury of knights, say. The jury system was designed for judicial fairness.



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14 Apr 2020, 8:17 am

Being a pier is part of it. But also the jury member must be completely impartial.



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14 Apr 2020, 8:21 am

Yep. That’s the theory, anyway.

True impartiality is virtually a utopian idea.

It’s more realistic to shoot for “as impartial as possible.”



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14 Apr 2020, 9:55 am

Okay yes, impartial as possible is more realistic.



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14 Apr 2020, 9:01 pm

EzraS wrote:
Either the evidence in a case is substantial and compelling enough for a guilty verdict or it's not.

And one can not properly judge an outcome if one is swayed by bias or prejudice or preference.

If a person wants someone to be found guilty, then that is likely what they are going to stay with.

That is why jury selection is so important.


There was no evidence the jury selection was biased. There were originally 14 jurors selected at random and two were removed (for reasons not specified). Of the 12 remaining jurors they came back with a unanimous decision (they found the victims testimony compelling) which the judge used to base his original conviction and 6 year jail sentence,



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15 Apr 2020, 7:59 am

Just like everything else in this world, Money talks, and bullsh!t walks.



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15 Apr 2020, 8:13 am

Meistersinger wrote:
Just like everything else in this world, Money talks, and bullsh!t walks.
It may be wiser to not attribute to malice that which can be more easily explained by incompetence.

In this case, however...


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15 Apr 2020, 8:31 am

The Cardinal Pell case is one where ultimately we will never know the truth,was he guilty and was he let off on a technicality,or was it incompetence in behalf of the system.

Or was he just innocent,just because he is catholic clergy doesn't make him a cho mo,jokes about priests aside and I made a pretty funny priest joke earlier in this post,some priest are wrongly accused because there priests.

Sometime we must accept that we can't know the truth :?


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15 Apr 2020, 6:46 pm

I think the victim's family will pursue damages so Pell isn't out of the woods but is likely not going back to jail