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Is easing the lockdown beneficial to the economy or worsening health threat?
Poll ended at 16 May 2020, 5:49 am
I am in favour of easing the lockdown, it won't worsen the situation, economic health is the most important. 17%  17%  [ 4 ]
I am opposed to easing the lockdown. Lives are more important and the virus will spread uncontrollably. 83%  83%  [ 20 ]
It doesn't matter, Corona is here to stay, we may as well just take a fatalistic position and get on with life. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 24

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16 Apr 2020, 1:51 pm

T S Eliot wrote:
The Hollow Men - 5th Stanza

Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
Life is very long
Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.


(from “Complete Poems and Plays of T S Eliot” 1969, Faber & Faber


(Misquoted above... I don’t like misquotes :P )

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Can’t put my thoughts better than Velorum has already[/on topic]



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16 Apr 2020, 2:35 pm

Karamazov wrote:
T S Eliot wrote:
The Hollow Men - 5th Stanza

Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
Life is very long
Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom
For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.


(from “Complete Poems and Plays of T S Eliot” 1969, Faber & Faber


(Misquoted above... I don’t like misquotes :P )

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Can’t put my thoughts better than Velorum has already[/on topic]



Of course you don't like misquotes :heart: :D


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16 Apr 2020, 2:47 pm

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Of course you don't like misquotes :heart: :D

I read "mosquitoes"...


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16 Apr 2020, 2:52 pm

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16 Apr 2020, 3:35 pm

EzraS wrote:
I think people continuing to wash their hands and use hand sanitizer, wearing masks or face coverings, continuing as much social distancing as possible when possible, not shaking hands etc will be quite effective.

And lets face it, tens of millions have been around each other in grocery stores this whole time. Plus those working hundreds thousands of essential jobs this whole time.

So it certainly was never actually a full quarantine.

Problem is here like much of the USA people aren’t doing thst. If we reopen the attend events with thousands of people close together, they go back to work no mask, no hand washing no sanitizer. Cases will rise again and the health industry will be overwhelmed and a 2nd lockdown will begin.

Locally our cases haven’t slowed down. Meanwhile I see in news that tins of meat plants are having crap ton of cases, yet now when it’s on rise is the time to open back. f**k that. What’s happening at the meat plants will happen at every single work environment if we reopen.

Sorry but given people can’t take simple precautions when they’re forced to i don’t expect they’re take any precautions when not forced to.

Just like serial killers don’t stop killing until their arrested. You can’t expect them or most people to do the good thing, humans are selfish at heart. That’s why we need government to make them be good.


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16 Apr 2020, 3:39 pm

13 voted to keep lockdown
3 to end. Yet most the comments are for ending it.

I’m confused and it would seem so are some of you 0.o


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16 Apr 2020, 3:53 pm

sly279 wrote:
13 voted to keep lockdown
3 to end. Yet most the comments are for ending it.

I’m confused and it would seem so are some of you 0.o


I voted "opposed" but didn't comment. I don't usually comment after doing a poll.


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16 Apr 2020, 5:18 pm

BTDT wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/world/coronavirus-response-lessons-learned-intl/index.html

I think drive up testing like South Korea would work in the USA. You could get tested while waiting for your drive up take out order to be filled.


Temperature tests, while not fool-proof, would help.
I don't know why we don't do more of it here.



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16 Apr 2020, 5:21 pm

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We have drive-through testing, but on a too-limited basis.


Didn't you yanks invent "drive-through"?
Serious question.

I had to laugh when I heard about American drive-through church services, many years ago. :mrgreen:



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16 Apr 2020, 5:22 pm

Many people with COVID19 don’t have fever, and they pass it on to others.



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16 Apr 2020, 5:25 pm

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Many companies are going belly up. Choosing to risk infecting your family or feeding them is a painful choice to have to make. Nearly everyone I know is on unpaid leave.


I've heard a report that 400,000 chinese companies have gone under.



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16 Apr 2020, 5:37 pm

Teach51 wrote:
@ envirozentinel:I know. I already break the law by walking more than 100 meters from home. I choose to maintain my sanity and breathe and get some exercise. If I become infected then I will but I am going mad being shut inside. Was it TS Elliot that said "The end of the world will come with a bang and not a whimper??" I choose to end with a bang.



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Teach51 wrote:
Of course you don't like misquotes :heart: :D

I read "mosquitoes"...


You need a better English to Polish translator. :mrgreen:

kraftiekortie wrote:
Many people with COVID19 don’t have fever, and they pass it on to others.

Indeed.



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16 Apr 2020, 6:31 pm

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People seem to think the economy is only about Wall Street. It is also about tens of millions of poor working-class people with children to care for who are going to suffer the soonest and the hardest.

So when you think economy, don't think of some rich white guy in a suit. Think of a single minority mother with three young children to feed and shelter.

Covid19 is not the Spanish Flu or the Bubonic Plague. It's not even remotely close to that. It's not even close to the flu which takes out at least 650,000 people per flu season.

More than adequate measures have been taken.

Apirl 30th is a resonable time to start things going again.


This is why we need to provide continuing support to people, as well as do our darnedest to make sure everyone gets tested.

But of course, this goes against GOP (and elite Dem) ideology, so no can do.


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16 Apr 2020, 6:50 pm

Any option chosen is based on assumptions. We assume the lockdowns prevented mass deaths, we assume ending the lockdown will result in mass deaths, we assume immunity if one contracts the disease, we assume rigorous washing is killing the coronavirus, we assume the tests are accurate and we will assume upcoming treatments and cures will work.

Since any option is heavily guesswork at this point I choose keep the lockdown because I prefer the quieter world.


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16 Apr 2020, 6:50 pm

Velorum wrote:
In my view the grim reality of the situation is that the primary function of lockdown is not to save lives per se but to control the flow of admissions to hospitals. Its an exercise in ensuring adequate capacity and spreading out the number of people needing ventilation and / or dying so that services aren't overwhelmed.


This was also my take on the reasons for the lockdown. I think given the need to develop herd immunity and the delay in a viable vaccine a easing of the lockdown is doable on the basis people with compromised immune systems and older folk remain indoors and everyone else practice social distancing/hygiene (sounds rather simple).

The problem of course is masses of people heading to popular venues, public transport etc but at least that would accelerate herd immunity.



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17 Apr 2020, 8:00 am

It seems an effective treatment for critical cases would solve the crisis in the meantime until a vaccine is developed. As for the rest who won't have serious symptoms, let it spread and build up immunity. So far the news on treatments with antibody plasma and hydroxychloroquine is that they have worked well.