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cyberdad
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18 Dec 2023, 5:31 am

So I guess that's a no to my proposal :lol:



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18 Dec 2023, 11:21 am

You can sue if you want. But not on those particular grounds.



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18 Dec 2023, 5:18 pm

So getting back to the veteran who torched MLK's birth home. Is it establishes she was reacting to his personal life OR was she having an episode from her wartime PTSD?



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18 Dec 2023, 5:37 pm

I thought MLK Jr. was supposed to be a civil rights hero?

I am confused as to why somebody posted a black person as the arsonist?

What do they think he did or what did they think of who he was?


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18 Dec 2023, 5:38 pm

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Maybe the woman believed the allegations about MLK found here. Trigger Warning: SA



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18 Dec 2023, 5:45 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
I thought MLK Jr. was supposed to be a civil rights hero?

I am confused as to why somebody posted a black person as the arsonist?

What do they think he did or what did they think of who he was?


He was a great civil rights leader.

As I myself said above in this thread...when I first heard about it out of the corner of my ear on the news I assume that some White male racist did it. But contrary to what would expect ...it was a Black woman who was caught dowsing the house with gasoline.

We still dont know why she did it.
If the police know it hasnt been made public yet.

She is probably just nuts. Went round the bend sometime after leaving the service.



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18 Dec 2023, 5:46 pm

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Maybe the woman believed the allegations about MLK found here. Trigger Warning: SA


Oh, I didn't realise you had put a hyperlink on the word 'here'.

The title of this article seems disconcerting.


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18 Dec 2023, 5:48 pm

I don’t know whether the allegations are true or not at this point. It could be a possible motive if the woman believed it, especially if she experienced abuse herself and was struggling with mental health issues.



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18 Dec 2023, 6:03 pm

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I don’t know whether the allegations are true or not at this point. It could be a possible motive if the woman believed it, especially if she experienced abuse herself and was struggling with mental health issues.


I can't help but think some of the negative things put forth in the article, backed by a 'FBI' recording could be biased. I mean, the FBI were looking for negative things and who knows, they might have fabricated evidence. I don't think that is beyond their type of behaviour. Especially given the time period when corruptions were lesser checked than nowadays.

Who knows about the woman or what happened there though? It seems to be Garrow the biographer that is making the claim about that incident?

The article says:

"Given that context — and given Garrow's lack of access to the tapes themselves, in addition to the fact that the Standpoint article has not yet been published — Garrow's claims raise questions about the accuracy of the evidence and the motives of the FBI agents who created the documents. In a separate article describing the magazine's rationale for publishing the story, Standpoint's acting editor, Michael Mosbacher, said Garrow's work was previously rejected by The Guardian, The Atlantic, and The Washington Post."

The article mentions that the basis for the claim of King witnessing the incident with the (alleged) poor woman, is a memo accompanying these tapes.

Also, the article says that the FBI agents did not interfere with the alleged rape (listening to it as it happened)? So I guess they were just listening to it and not doing anything? I mean, that would be disturbing if true.


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18 Dec 2023, 6:07 pm

I’m reserving judgment until records are released. It wouldn’t surprise me either way at this point.

As far as the attempted arson goes, it matters more what the woman believes than what the truth is as far as motive is concerned.

Maybe it wasn’t her motive. I just thought it could be a possibility.



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18 Dec 2023, 6:27 pm

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He was a great civil rights leader.


He followed one of the greatest civil rights leader in history - Mahatma Gandhi.

Both the American civil rights and South African Anti-Apartheid movement borrowed heavily from Gandhi's swaraj movement against British imperial rule. This involved the concept of non-violent protest.

MLK's application of Gandhi's non-violent protest has been replicated by nearly every single social justice group around the world who protest or agitate for change using peaceful marching or sit-ins



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21 Dec 2023, 10:03 am

cyberdad wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
He was a great civil rights leader.


He followed one of the greatest civil rights leader in history - Mahatma Gandhi.

Both the American civil rights and South African Anti-Apartheid movement borrowed heavily from Gandhi's swaraj movement against British imperial rule. This involved the concept of non-violent protest.

MLK's application of Gandhi's non-violent protest has been replicated by nearly every single social justice group around the world who protest or agitate for change using peaceful marching or sit-ins


I , and everyone else, graduated from middle school too. So we all know that too.

But that (the roots of MLK in Gandhi's doctrines of nonviolent civil disobedience) is not the topic. The point was for me, an American, to inform Blitz (a non American), that "Yes, we have a holiday named after MLK because he IS a national figure". Just the bread and butter basics.



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22 Dec 2023, 7:49 pm

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The point was for me, an American, to inform Blitz (a non American), that "Yes, we have a holiday named after MLK because he IS a national figure". Just the bread and butter basics.


I recall there used to be a bust of MLK in the oval office until Trump had it removed. I also understand some US states abstained from the holiday (Arizona for example). But beyond that does the average American (other than African Americans) know why he is a national figure?



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22 Dec 2023, 7:52 pm

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Maybe it wasn’t her motive. I just thought it could be a possibility.


Now she is in custody awaiting charges, the media seem to have gone cold on her motives.



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22 Dec 2023, 7:57 pm

cyberdad wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
Maybe it wasn’t her motive. I just thought it could be a possibility.


Now she is in custody awaiting charges, the media seem to have gone cold on her motives.

It’s not been that long.



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22 Dec 2023, 8:01 pm

Almost 2 weeks? somebody must have dug something up about her motives