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Mage
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06 Oct 2008, 11:45 am

Well, politics is just one of those things that polarizes people a lot. You can't take any post here personally, otherwise you'll just get upset. People in the US get behind the presidential candidates like people in latin america get behind soccer teams.

Anyhow, I have to be honest I'm not thrilled about Obama either. I'd much rather have had Kucinich or Paul to choose between, because they are actually 2 candidates who I really agree with on a lot of points. It's unfortunate we so seldom get to decide who is better, rather than who is the lesser of 2 evils.

One of the main reasons I do choose Obama over McCain is because of McCain's past behavior, both politically and personally. McCain is just one mean ol' SOB who is in politics for his own gain instead of the good of the people.

BTW this article came out recently, helps encapsulate what a nasty man McCain can be if you piss him off: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/ ... rick/print

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06 Oct 2008, 12:05 pm

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You sickened liberals keep saying that McCain will die. Well what about Biden? He's up there too by 7 years younger, and you DON'T say that ether! Damn the double-standards!

We are all going to die. Fact of life. The Constitution has 2 duties for the Vice-President ... presiding over the Senate in case of a tie, and taking over for the President in case of incapacity or death. According to most actuarial scientists, the odds that McCain dies in the next 4 years are around 1 in 6, which is pretty high. So as a nation, we need to be logical and factual - each and every American needs to ask themselves if they think that Palin and Biden could take over and assume the duties of the President.

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06 Oct 2008, 12:32 pm

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Was this man still a terrorist in 1996 and 1997? Or has he already paid his debt to society, and maybe learned from lessons from it? He's an old man now, and does say he's regretted what he did in his youth.

"Paid his debt"? He didn't spend a second in jail. His rich industrialist father got high-priced lawyers to get him off the hook on a technicality.

And did Ayers "regret" what he did? Absolutely not. This quote from Ayers himself, ironically enough published on September 11, 2001: ''I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A9679C8B63

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06 Oct 2008, 1:08 pm

Explosive Audio Unearthed: After the Sub Prime Crisis already started in 2007 Obama says Sub Prime Mortgages that gave houses to people WHO COULDN'T AFFORD THEM was a GOOD IDEA!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FewmvkaT ... good-idea/

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06 Oct 2008, 2:52 pm

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Sarah Palin is so genuine, so the girl next door, and so middle American, I want her as Veep.

You have gotta be shittin' me. It staggers the mind how you were unable to see just how friggin' FAKE her little act was. It's like she doesn't even think about what she's saying... her mouth just runs on auto-pilot.

Oh, and as for McCain dying in office... maybe he will, maybe he won't. There's also the chance that Obama would be assassinated by some racist nutjob. Either way, I trust Palin to do just as good a job as Bush at running this country... into the ground.

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06 Oct 2008, 3:09 pm

This is pretty good news actually. This new attack shows how desperate the McCain campaign is. It comes right after they cut and ran from Michigan. Of course, the attacks are baseless and appeal to the most racist and thuggish of American instincts.

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06 Oct 2008, 3:51 pm

ja wrote:

Now, now - lets look at what is real, and what is hysterical blurbing.

Subprime mortgages started off as a good idea - no doubt about it. A subprime loan is good if it lets a person qualify for a modest home that they can afford, but which they would have been denied under the old rules. A subprime loan system is bad if people are given loans that they never can pay off, and those loans are bundled into securities and sold to investors. Obama did not say that it was good to give loans to people who could never repay them - he said it was good to loan to people who can repay, but who didn't qualify under the old rules.

So this 'gotcha' from finding Obama saying that subprime lending started off as a good thing is no big deal - he is right, and every economist between here and Tahiti will agree with him.

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Obama said that "subprime lending started off as a good idea -- helping Americans buy homes who couldn't previously afford to. Financial institutions created new financial instruments that could securitize these loans, slice them into finer and finer risk categories and spread them out among investors around the country and around the world. In theory, this should have allowed mortgage lending to be less risky and more diversified."

But then, Obama said, something went wrong.

"As certain lenders and brokers began to see how much money could be made, they began to lower their standards," Obama said. "Some appraisers began inflating their estimates to get the deals done. Some borrowers started claiming income they didn't have just to qualify for the loans, and some were engaging in irresponsible speculation. But many borrowers were tricked into glossing over the fine print. And ratings agencies began rating bundles of different kinds of these loans as low-risk even though they were very high-risk. Most everyone knew that some of these deals were just too good to be true, but all that money flowing in made it tempting to look the other way and ignore the unscrupulous practice of some bad actors...Repeated calls for better disclosure and stronger oversight were met with millions in mortgage industry lobbying. Far too many continued to put their own short-term gain ahead of what they knew the long-term consequences would be when those rates exploded."

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06 Oct 2008, 3:56 pm

AspE wrote:

I agree completely. I don't get why they always go negative I mean you can get the same affect in turn out when you appeal to the good in people.

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06 Oct 2008, 4:32 pm

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Are you f'ing me? Yeah, Palin did attack too much, but why in the hell are you saying "sounded like some high school girl giving a class speech"? She is speaking direct and natural like a girl next door. We need someone that is just like everyone else in Middle America, not someone that doesn't know when television was invented and used the wrong president at the wrong time or say the President Hoover invented the vacuum cleaner.

The American people have already elected a president they thought was just like them: George W. Bush. Look how that turned out.

In the end, I think all governments need an intelligent leader. The GW Bush doctrine of hiring people to be smart for you does not work. What you need are intelligent subordinates that will research all the facts on an issue and then have an intelligent leader make the final decision. Having a dumbass for a leader thwarts the work of the intelligent folks that are working below them. It also makes things worse when the subordinate isn't intelligent (or doing a good job) and the leader isn't smart enough to figure it out (Heck of a job Brownie!)

I don't think any of the current candidates would fail to the level of GW, but it's hard to judge Palin - she's only had a month to educate herself about all the national and international issues facing the country today.

It is unfortunate (again) that the American people do not have much of a choice when it comes to their leader. Both candidates just voted for the bailout, tax cuts, and more government spending. None of them are willing to stand up against the special interests that benefit the most from this bill to do what's best for the American people.

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06 Oct 2008, 4:35 pm

AspE wrote:

Are you going to mention about Obama's attacks towards McCain? Riiigghhhtt you are a liberal and you think its okay to put McCain down, but not Obama! Sick people in this world. You (and others) have lobotomies without having one!

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06 Oct 2008, 4:40 pm

I am getting to the point that this election is useless, and I am getting to the point where I am not going to vote. Hell, my state's election sucks because the two governors, senators, house members suck too... I think I am going to go on the sidelines and wait this out... If Obama gets into office, Canada might be something worth looking to since its 4 hours north from where I live now...

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06 Oct 2008, 5:20 pm

Ayers to kids: "Kill your parents!"
Ayers to courts:"Don't hold teen murderers responsible!"

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06 Oct 2008, 9:36 pm

Just the name of obama screams terrorist!

I BELIEVE!

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07 Oct 2008, 3:45 am

Hm...and who was part of the Keating 5...you know, that disastrous banking situation in the eighties...

And sorry, sharing a stage with Ayers does not equate with friendship or acceptance of what the man may have done in the past. Obama was working for certain causes which brings him into contact with all kinds of people. Which one of us can say there is not one person in our lives who is of questionable character? In fact some of us are related to questionable people.

Like Sarah Palin, who's married to a man who belonged to an Alaskan secessionist movement, and both took their children to a Dominionist church. That seems to be a more serious issue than Obama's acquaintance with Ayers.

It's kind of hard not to end up going to a muslim school when you live in a predominantly muslim country-and as a child, how was he going to not go to school? Also, it wasn't his father who was muslim (his father, also raised muslim, was actually an atheist), it was his stepdad.

And as for his issues, fine. That's fair game. But McCain has flipflopped, and revisionist history is not going to change that. He was for legal abortion. Now he's got Squareglasses McSnowpants with her religionist views, and suddenly he's kissing the religious right's hindmost bits. It's a bit disingenuous of one side to point out that Obama is a political animal when McCain's been playing the game for a long time. Before McCain might have gotten away with it, but I think people are catching on.

If one doesn't like Obama, don't make stuff up. Holy moly. Surely there are rational reasons not to like him or Biden.

I've got a friend who thinks he's Kenyan. One would think the FBI would've had that one figured out, eh?

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07 Oct 2008, 6:42 am

Rjaye wrote:

Hm...and who was part of the Keating 5...you know, that disastrous banking situation in the eighties...

Four Democrats and one Republican. I'm surprised the Dems dare to raise this issue, considering their involvement. Moreover, Robert Bennett, Chief Counsel to the Democrats during the investigation, said that McCain should not be included in the investigation and that there was not evidence of any wrongdoing by Senator McCain. In fact, he was completely exonerated. (I know: pesky facts...). http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/3813449.html

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And sorry, sharing a stage with Ayers does not equate with friendship or acceptance of what the man may have done in the past.

How about sitting in the pew of a racist church for 20 years, dedicating a book to the pastor, but then claiming to have slept through the race-baiting sermons? Either lying or stupid; neither good.

Rjaye wrote:

...Squareglasses McSnowpants...

Puhleez. Is this really necessary? :roll:

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07 Oct 2008, 6:54 am

I think palin is an idiot, McCain is an idiot, and Obama is an idiot. But mostly Palin.

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