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31 Dec 2019, 2:04 am

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The Guardian is now claiming that Climate change denial was defeated in 2019.

Methinks that, like their past predictions of doom-and-gloom we're-all-gonna-fry 'Climate Crisis', this too will be shown to have little or no basis in fact.

Although admittedly anecdotal, the trend that I'm seeing both on the web and in meatspace is that increasing numbers of people are beginning to recognize CAGW for the fraud that it is.

OTOH, the voices of CAGW promoters are morphing into strident cries of urgency.
(global warming -> climate change -> climate emergency and now climate crisis.)

2020 is going to be an interesting year.


So you attack "CAGW", which means "catastrophic anthropogenic global warming". Does this mean you accept that anthropogenic global warming is occurring, but it's not "catastrophic"?


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31 Dec 2019, 2:12 am

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So you attack "CAGW", which means "catastrophic anthropogenic global warming". Does this mean you accept that anthropogenic global warming is occurring, but it's not "catastrophic"?

I have seen no credible evidence to support either imminent catastrophe or any significant anthropogenic influence on climate.


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31 Dec 2019, 3:01 am

I'm hearing about record heatwaves due to global warming causing massive fires in Australia. But looking at weather charts for November and December, the temperature looks pretty normal for summer to me. Quite mild in fact compared to Las Vegas, Nevada standards (where I grew up). It looks to me like any record breaking heat occurred in a single day two or three times. But overall looks pretty normal.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/au/melbo ... ?year=2019



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31 Dec 2019, 3:31 am

EzraS wrote:
I'm hearing about record heatwaves due to global warming causing massive fires in Australia. But looking at weather charts for November and December, the temperature looks pretty normal for summer to me. Quite mild in fact compared to Las Vegas, Nevada standards (where I grew up). It looks to me like any record breaking heat occurred in a single day two or three times. But overall looks pretty normal.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/au/melbo ... ?year=2019


There seems to be a lot of that going around lately.
Plenty of scary headlines claiming "hottest summer ever in <choose your location>" but checking the actual observations puts the lie to the claims.
It's too bad more people don't have the wherewithal to look beyond the headlines.

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I c/ped this from another forum. I haven't verified its authenticity, but have seen the same claim made several times in different forums:
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In Australia the hottest day on record was recorded in Bourke NSW on the third of January 1909 with a temperature of 51.6 degrees, but the Bureau has "deleted it from the record". Why? Because it was recorded on a Sunday, rather than during the weekday. I s**t you not.


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31 Dec 2019, 4:53 am

I have seen a lot of that too looking up record high and low temperatures, along with record drought and snowfall for the past 100 years.



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31 Dec 2019, 5:41 am

It saddens me that governments around the world have taken little or no action on climate change. We have more floods, hurricanes and bush fires around the world and governments are not doing enough to stop climate change. Governments world wide have failed their people and democracy is a scam. What is needed are central governments that comprise the best people instead of bumbling idiots like Boris Johnson or Donald Trump as political leaders.



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31 Dec 2019, 5:55 am

Rainbow_Belle wrote:
It saddens me that governments around the world have taken little or no action on climate change. We have more floods, hurricanes and bush fires around the world and governments are not doing enough to stop climate change. Governments world wide have failed their people and democracy is a scam. What is needed are central governments that comprise the best people instead of bumbling idiots like Boris Johnson or Donald Trump as political leaders.


What is needed is a new central global government that will envoke emergency powers (able to do whatever they want) in order to supposedly save the planet.

Some people say I am paranoid when I talk about there being a political agenda of global control ala 1984.

But that's basically what I have been seeing proposed. With lots of people lining up to be ruled by it. And the biggest focus is on convincing the young - which would explain why Greta Thunberg is at the forefront.



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31 Dec 2019, 6:28 am

I believe that true “globalists” are rare.

I don’t believe most liberals and “leftists” want a “global” government.

It would be nice if the UN were more respectable though, and less political.

We need an overriding organization to seek to prevent genocides and other potential human excesses like dictatorships and such.

We need to ensure the safe passage of food aid to famine areas, and to prevent the embezzlement of food aid and of foreign aid in general by governments.



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31 Dec 2019, 7:55 am

What if enough people are convinced they lives their lives and especially the lives of their children depend upon an emergency new world order to avert an impending global catastrophe?



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31 Dec 2019, 7:58 am

SoloSailor wrote:
beneficii wrote:
So you attack "CAGW", which means "catastrophic anthropogenic global warming". Does this mean you accept that anthropogenic global warming is occurring, but it's not "catastrophic"?

I have seen no credible evidence to support either imminent catastrophe or any significant anthropogenic influence on climate.

What evidences do you need? If there is not enough evidences for you now, there never will be.


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31 Dec 2019, 7:59 am

I’m not into a “New World Order.”



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31 Dec 2019, 8:02 am

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I’m not into a “New World Order.”


Even if your survial and the rest of humanity depended upon it?



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31 Dec 2019, 8:11 am

Tollorin wrote:
SoloSailor wrote:
beneficii wrote:
So you attack "CAGW", which means "catastrophic anthropogenic global warming". Does this mean you accept that anthropogenic global warming is occurring, but it's not "catastrophic"?

I have seen no credible evidence to support either imminent catastrophe or any significant anthropogenic influence on climate.

What evidences do you need? If there is not enough evidences for you now, there never will be.


Some people are easier to convince than others. But is being easily convinced a good thing?



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31 Dec 2019, 8:15 am

We have to make the existing world much better.

We don’t need a “New World Order.”



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31 Dec 2019, 8:23 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
We have to make the existing world much better.

We don’t need a “New World Order.”


You know I'm talking about enough people being convinced that the world is coming to an end soon, and that the current system of governments are doing nothing about it.



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31 Dec 2019, 8:26 am

I don’t believe in the doom scenarios presented by extreme climate-change advocates.

Saying this:

There’s been desertification in Africa and Australia for many years, though it has accelerated in recent years.

I wouldn’t buy a house within about 500 yards of the coast, unless it is on a big hill.