Climate talks fail

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Note to mods: I am beginning to suspect that Darmok is running two accounts on WP. Is that allowed?

I think it may be informative to understand that the Climate Change movement has all of the trappings of a cult. And, like any other cult, its brainwashed members engage in a mind boggling array of mental gymnastics in a vain attempt at rationalizing and justifying their own internal cognitive dissonance. Reason, facts and logic need not apply... in fact these things are the very antithesis of their worldview. Any evidence contradictory to their dogma is never critically examined as doing so may irrevocably expose the fraudulent nature of their chosen beliefs.
Those providing arguments and evidence contradictory to cult dogma are considered heretics who must must be shouted down at all costs. Ad hominem, obfuscation, misdirection, psuedointellectual verbosity, fixation on irrelevant minutiae, baldfaced lies and other dishonest tactics are considered to be not only acceptable but necessary methods to used against the 'deniers' - because, well, they *are* heretics after all.

We wouldn't want to let a little reality get in the way of a good story now would we?

We gave you rational and logical arguments, but for some reason you don't seem to listen to any of them.

We gave you rational and logical arguments, but for some reason you don't seem to listen to any of them.

You speak of dishonest tactics, and yet you use a lot of appeal to motive, as you present climate changes as some kind of totalitarian conspiracy.

We gave you rational and logical arguments, but for some reason you don't seem to listen to any of them.

You're really deluded if you think facts is on your side.

Nowadays conservatives media are spouting a MASSIVE amount of lies and misdirection and it work, peoples love being told lies.

Ad hominem attacks? Like the attacks on Al Gore and Greta Thunberg?
Seem to me that a great deal of the attcks on the reality of climate changes are ad hominem attacks.

Those so-called skeptics should bring real proofs first, or at least offer explanations that are stronger rather the weaker on recorded observations; so far they are doing neither,

..and are spreading disinformation to cloud public perception and judgment.

Scientists not taking climate changes deniers seriously is the same as not taking creationists, homeopaths, flat-earthers or anti-vaccines seriously; they offer no real criticism and only have success thanks to a gullible public.

I have yet to see climate deniers showing any convincing arguments or evidences; they only say that for some reasons scientists are lying, or stupids by saying they didn't take into account elements that they did took into account.

Clarification:

A) Climate change is a 4.5+ billion year old ongoing process.

B) Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is an artificial crisis designed to concentrate political power and extort economic wealth.


A brief recap:









Do you not see the problem here?

Glaciers melting, sea ice shrinking, species migrating, animals "waking up" sooner from hibernating, temperatures changing all around the world and more pronounced near the poles.
I can't verify personally all this stuffs, as I'm not a god, and rather poor even; but all kind of scientists and concerned citizens are witnessing those stuffs.
In south Quebec there is seasons changing (More chaotic winter, and hotter summers with frequent heat waves), the coming of Lyme disease (It's warm enough now for tick spreading it living there), sky stations now depending more on artificial snow, worried about their future and having shorter seasons, outside ice rings now more frequently been closed, and so on... Basically less dependable winters.

As it stand right now, as much as the Sun go, the climate should be cooling, and yet it's warming.

CO2 is greenhouse effect gaz, that much is proved through physical measurements and experiments; humans are producing a great amount of CO2 through combustion of fossil fuels and CO2 can acidify sea water, that much is simple chemistry; the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is rising and oceans are acidifying, that much is shown with various measurements; the average temperatures are rising, that much is established by measurements and observations of various ecosystems and physical phenomenons; there is currently no other satisfying explanation that human activities, as nothing have been seen in natural phenomenon and cycles that can satisfyingly explain the current warming; the climate models are imperfect, but currently the worst case scenarios are right.

I have yet to see climate deniers showing any convincing arguments or evidences; they only say that for some reasons scientists are lying, or stupids by saying they didn't take into account elements that they did took into account.

We gave you rational and logical arguments, but for some reason you don't seem to listen to any of them.

Scientific research indicates that there are other possible reasons for this, other than CO2 emissions.

Californian and Australian bush fires are not proof that climate change is real.
Bush fires in Brazil and Asia are not proof that climate change is real.
Climate change denial is strong with the right wing governments, corporations, banks, rich people destroying the Earth in pursuit of endless economic growth.

Hold up. Are you saying that there is scientific research that says that the increasing CO2 hasn't been forcing the warming?

Hold up. Are you saying that there is scientific research that says that the increasing CO2 hasn't been forcing the warming?

By far, the most abundant gas in the Earth's atmosphere is nitrogen, which accounts for about 78% of the mass of dry air. Oxygen is the next most abundant gas, present at levels of 20 to 21%.

Key Takeaways: Gases in Earth's Atmosphere

The most abundant gas in the Earth's atmosphere is nitrogen. The second most abundant gas is oxygen. Both of these gases occur as diatomic molecules.
The amount of water vapor is highly variable. In hot, humid locations, it is the third most abundant gas. This makes it the most common greenhouse gas.
In dry air, the third most abundant gas is argon, a monatomic noble gas.
The abundance of carbon dioxide is variable. While it is an important greenhouse gas, it is only present an average of 0.04 percent, by mass.

https://www.thoughtco.com/most-abundant ... ere-604006

Clarification:

A) Climate change is a 4.5+ billion year old ongoing process.

B) Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is an artificial crisis designed to concentrate political power and extort economic wealth.


A brief recap:









Do you not see the problem here?