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27 Dec 2019, 6:08 pm

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You aren't a part of an army, you are a part of a swarm.
The locusts have no king, but they all file out in rank.


You sound bitter about your inability to convince anyone that your world view is reasonable.
Perhaps if you adopted a more reasonable world view you'd have greater success.


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27 Dec 2019, 6:12 pm

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Translation: Marxist system of government wanted.


This is an old conservative canard, dating back to the Cold War. Call every leftist you don't like communist, which is exactly what you're calling Kraichgauer.


I don't dislike Bill. I have just seen in his writings that he wants to see capitalism replaced by socialism. I've seen that in your writings too. So it's like 'don't call us communists because we say that we want a socialist government'?


Look, it's not my problem if you can't tell the difference between different groups on the left. I guess when you're so far to the right, all of us just look the same to you.


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27 Dec 2019, 6:23 pm

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Well, I'm off to get a burrito. Please keep Ezra's martyr complex turned to it's highest setting until I return.


Keep chiseling away, I'm starting to crumble.



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27 Dec 2019, 6:46 pm

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Has anyone heard if the woman is planning an insanity defense?



They have video of her in a convenience store screaming at the employees and calling them the 'N' word. I think this IS who she is and the meth just allowed her to let down her guard. I don't think being under the influence should constitute insanity if they are not really insane. At some point they were sober and made a sober choice to consume the drug.


It's interesting that you see racism as being solely an individual moral issue. People on the left tend to look at it a bit differently.


I don't view anything through the eyes of collectivism. It seems the liberals view everything through the eyes of collectivism. Many southerners were raised in a racist fashion and reject it because it simply doesn't make sense. I can't claim individualism and then group every person of one color into a category. If you're smart, you're smart. If you're an as*hole, you're an as*hole. You don't become less smart because you're a color, or more of an as*hole for same. People just are... This woman is a racist criminal. She's not crazy, she's mean.


The mantra of individualism only gets people to vote for "right to work" laws, and to vote against minimum wage increases, as well as taxation for roads, the social safety net, and any thing else for the good of the community. It's just a means to convince people that they don't need any of those fancy chmancy things, because real individuals can stand on their own feet - - though they can't drive on kept up roads.


Translation: Marxist system of government wanted.


Nothing Marxist about wanting to make a living wage with benefits. In fact, it's the best defense against Marxism, where workers are happy and comfortable as middle class citizens, and have disposable income they can use to keep the economy chugging along. The notion the right has of keeping workers down is completely illogical by an economic standpoint, and only makes sense when you realize that the right wants to maintain a class based hierarchy where the few at the top get rich while all the rest are kept as unequal as possible.


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27 Dec 2019, 6:50 pm

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Nothing Marxist about wanting to make a living wage with benefits. In fact, it's the best defense against Marxism, where workers are happy and comfortable as middle class citizens, and have disposable income they can use to keep the economy chugging along. The notion the right has of keeping workers down is completely illogical by an economic standpoint, and only makes sense when you realize that the right wants to maintain a class based hierarchy where the few at the top get rich while all the rest are kept as unequal as possible.


If not Marxist then what?



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27 Dec 2019, 6:52 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
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Actually there have been those who separated from society and survived just fine on their own.

As a genuinely disabled person, I am saying there are people looking for a handout. See I'm not looking for one, I am stuck with having one. And I do not like it. I do not like having to be provided for, instead of being able to provide for myself.

That's the difference between someone like me and someone looking for handouts.

How do you know that those you denigrate also aren't truly in need? Just because their disability isn't as extreme as yours doesn't mean that they're faking it for a handout.
Who lives outside of society without human help? Even if there are a few, they are the exception not the rule.


I am talking about those who are genuinely in need and have absolutely no other recourse vs those looking for a handout.


The only problem is, people in genuine need are described by elements on the right as being parasites and eaters.


As usual I have heard that from many on the left umpteen times, but not from the right. In other words that notion is proliferated to a huge extent by the left.


Then you have selective hearing.
A few years ago, one Louisiana Republican state legislator described what he saw as caring for the needy, as - - "If you feed stray dogs, they keep coming back."
I've heard Tea baggers say about caring for those without or disabled: "I don't see why I have to pay for it."
And so on, and so on. For all their talk of making people on public assistance look for jobs and work, I have yet to hear any of them address the question about lack of jobs, or lack of jobs that allow one to live. I'll probably die of a heart attack if any of them suggest that businesses be compelled to hire people with good wages and benefits.



And I think you miss the point that people who go into that fast food business did so because perhaps they never wanted to deal with that. I'm sure that when McDonald's and Colonel Sanders and Wendy's were at the drawing board they never thought that 40 year old people would choose fast food as a career. They probably figured high school kids would do it for a couple years to get extra money.

Now, people think fast food restaurants workers should have a union, negotiate for wages. They may already do that. I'm sorry, I think that's crazy. Flipping a burger is not a career... it's a place to start, a place to make a little extra, a place if you are bored, or a place to end if you need to supplement your retirement. It's not a career.


People in their 40's and older are employed by fast food. What's wrong with them being able to share in the American dream by gaining a better wage through collective bargaining?
Different circumstances dictate different paths in life. Some become CEO's of big businesses, others flip burgers and only want to make the best out of a so-so situation, and some of us live in genteel poverty as starving artists and wouldn't trade it for the world.


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27 Dec 2019, 6:53 pm

EzraS wrote:
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Nothing Marxist about wanting to make a living wage with benefits. In fact, it's the best defense against Marxism, where workers are happy and comfortable as middle class citizens, and have disposable income they can use to keep the economy chugging along. The notion the right has of keeping workers down is completely illogical by an economic standpoint, and only makes sense when you realize that the right wants to maintain a class based hierarchy where the few at the top get rich while all the rest are kept as unequal as possible.


If not Marxist then what?


Social democracy, like what the rest of the Western world practices.


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27 Dec 2019, 6:54 pm

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"Hey everyone on disability and welfare, the republicans want you to starve to death because they are rich nazis who think you are parasites - the democrats however love you so much and want to give you as much stuff as possible - really, trust us"


Other than the use of the word "Nazi," your sarcastic response is pretty well spot on.


So I have a pretty good handle on the brainwashing techniques that worked on you.


What funeralxempire said.


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27 Dec 2019, 7:00 pm

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EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nothing Marxist about wanting to make a living wage with benefits. In fact, it's the best defense against Marxism, where workers are happy and comfortable as middle class citizens, and have disposable income they can use to keep the economy chugging along. The notion the right has of keeping workers down is completely illogical by an economic standpoint, and only makes sense when you realize that the right wants to maintain a class based hierarchy where the few at the top get rich while all the rest are kept as unequal as possible.


If not Marxist then what?


Social democracy, like what the rest of the Western world practices.


You mean the EU?



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27 Dec 2019, 7:01 pm

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Persephone29 wrote:

You aren't a part of an army, you are a part of a swarm.
The locusts have no king, but they all file out in rank.


You sound bitter about your inability to convince anyone that your world view is reasonable.
Perhaps if you adopted a more reasonable world view you'd have greater success.



There you go again, trying to put me in a group. I don't want a group, or a following. I don't need approval. What I do works for me.


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27 Dec 2019, 7:02 pm

EzraS wrote:
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Nothing Marxist about wanting to make a living wage with benefits. In fact, it's the best defense against Marxism, where workers are happy and comfortable as middle class citizens, and have disposable income they can use to keep the economy chugging along. The notion the right has of keeping workers down is completely illogical by an economic standpoint, and only makes sense when you realize that the right wants to maintain a class based hierarchy where the few at the top get rich while all the rest are kept as unequal as possible.


If not Marxist then what?


How is allowing everyone to get a piece of the pie Marxism? If anything, it would prove that capitalism works. As I recall, it's the right that keeps promising that capitalism will benefit everyone. So, does that claim by the right make them Marxists, too? Either common, ordinary workers can bargain collectively for a better deal, or the promises of the free market are just a colossal con being played on the rest of us by the 1%.


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27 Dec 2019, 7:02 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
Has anyone heard if the woman is planning an insanity defense?



They have video of her in a convenience store screaming at the employees and calling them the 'N' word. I think this IS who she is and the meth just allowed her to let down her guard. I don't think being under the influence should constitute insanity if they are not really insane. At some point they were sober and made a sober choice to consume the drug.


It's interesting that you see racism as being solely an individual moral issue. People on the left tend to look at it a bit differently.


I don't view anything through the eyes of collectivism. It seems the liberals view everything through the eyes of collectivism. Many southerners were raised in a racist fashion and reject it because it simply doesn't make sense. I can't claim individualism and then group every person of one color into a category. If you're smart, you're smart. If you're an as*hole, you're an as*hole. You don't become less smart because you're a color, or more of an as*hole for same. People just are... This woman is a racist criminal. She's not crazy, she's mean.


The mantra of individualism only gets people to vote for "right to work" laws, and to vote against minimum wage increases, as well as taxation for roads, the social safety net, and any thing else for the good of the community. It's just a means to convince people that they don't need any of those fancy chmancy things, because real individuals can stand on their own feet - - though they can't drive on kept up roads.


And?


And what?


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27 Dec 2019, 7:12 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Actually there have been those who separated from society and survived just fine on their own.

As a genuinely disabled person, I am saying there are people looking for a handout. See I'm not looking for one, I am stuck with having one. And I do not like it. I do not like having to be provided for, instead of being able to provide for myself.

That's the difference between someone like me and someone looking for handouts.

How do you know that those you denigrate also aren't truly in need? Just because their disability isn't as extreme as yours doesn't mean that they're faking it for a handout.
Who lives outside of society without human help? Even if there are a few, they are the exception not the rule.


I am talking about those who are genuinely in need and have absolutely no other recourse vs those looking for a handout.


The only problem is, people in genuine need are described by elements on the right as being parasites and eaters.


As usual I have heard that from many on the left umpteen times, but not from the right. In other words that notion is proliferated to a huge extent by the left.


Then you have selective hearing.
A few years ago, one Louisiana Republican state legislator described what he saw as caring for the needy, as - - "If you feed stray dogs, they keep coming back."
I've heard Tea baggers say about caring for those without or disabled: "I don't see why I have to pay for it."
And so on, and so on. For all their talk of making people on public assistance look for jobs and work, I have yet to hear any of them address the question about lack of jobs, or lack of jobs that allow one to live. I'll probably die of a heart attack if any of them suggest that businesses be compelled to hire people with good wages and benefits.



And I think you miss the point that people who go into that fast food business did so because perhaps they never wanted to deal with that. I'm sure that when McDonald's and Colonel Sanders and Wendy's were at the drawing board they never thought that 40 year old people would choose fast food as a career. They probably figured high school kids would do it for a couple years to get extra money.

Now, people think fast food restaurants workers should have a union, negotiate for wages. They may already do that. I'm sorry, I think that's crazy. Flipping a burger is not a career... it's a place to start, a place to make a little extra, a place if you are bored, or a place to end if you need to supplement your retirement. It's not a career.


People in their 40's and older are employed by fast food. What's wrong with them being able to share in the American dream by gaining a better wage through collective bargaining?
Different circumstances dictate different paths in life. Some become CEO's of big businesses, others flip burgers and only want to make the best out of a so-so situation, and some of us live in genteel poverty as starving artists and wouldn't trade it for the world.



Nothing if they are special needs, a kid, or an old person.

If they are the average individual, with a normal IQ, they've missed the boat. You seem to think I'm against poverty, I'm not. What I am against is someone trying to flip the script so that all of their lack of effort somehow pays off. You get exactly what you put in... If you want better, you will find a way. It's not honorable to learn nothing and then try and extort people into paying higher wages for a job that it takes zero thinking skills to do.

If you are a logger, taking your life into your own hands and busting you hump everyday, then YES. If you are a burger flipper, standing all day, then NO. If you are a Zamboni operator, in the freezing cold, then YES! If you are a balloon blower upper, then NO. Are you understanding what I'm saying yet? If a monkey could do the job you are doing, then NO. If a monkey cannot do the job you are doing, then YES.


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27 Dec 2019, 7:47 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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"Hey everyone on disability and welfare, the republicans want you to starve to death because they are rich nazis who think you are parasites - the democrats however love you so much and want to give you as much stuff as possible - really, trust us"


Other than the use of the word "Nazi," your sarcastic response is pretty well spot on.


So I have a pretty good handle on the brainwashing techniques that worked on you.


It more that you only ever make accurate observations about the far-right when attempting to be satirical. Otherwise you just babble the same tired talking points as most other far-right trolls.


Ah but Kraichgauer said that I was spot on, and he outranks you.


Outranks? I didn't realize I was part of an army. :?

This is why people respond to your posts with laughter. :lol:


Hierarchy is a tenant of the right....little glimpses :lol:



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Actually Darmok and solosailor are a little more amusing and more creative with their picture stories

George Lucas based the stormtroopers on the Nazis not the left
https://www.history.com/news/the-real-h ... -star-wars