AIDS-Like Disease Spreading in China

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21 Apr 2011, 10:34 pm

I wonder if this was a lateral transfer disease. Aids is one, so was the bubonic plauge, flu of 1918, and maleria and other really bad diseases are created from disease transfers from one species of animal to another. Some health advicates have warned that GMO in food, particularly the califlower mosiac virus which is soo volitle that it can splice genes could make lateral transfers of diseases more common in those who eat GMO food. Once the disease has transefered laterally, then the human body has no known immunity to it cause it is a totally new and exotic disease. I wonder if this is such a case?? If so that would explain the cover up cuz GMO which is funded by big international companies has to hide what could prove the warnings against their products to be correct.
As far as the WHO goes, there are two big dogs in the UN...which are US and China, any major corruption and cover ups within those two countries will not likely see the light of day as far as international affairs goes


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25 Apr 2011, 1:51 am

th silence is killing me.....say something....sombody...anything


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26 Apr 2011, 2:18 pm

Well, from a medical perspective, this looks like lousy reporting to me.

Clearly these people are sick. But that is as far as we can conclude. As for the pathology, the evidence of transmission suggests infectious disease (I would be suprised to see a psychosomatic condition that provided that consistency and gravity of presentation, but it is not outside the realms of the possibe).

To describe it as "AIDS-like" appears to me to be fallacious. HIV destroys the human immune system. But HIV disease is not the immediate cause of death for patients--it is one or more opportunistic infections that take hold because the body has no way of fighting them. Reading this report, I see nothing to suggest that these patients are presenting opportunistic infections--nor even that their CD4+ T cell count is down.

While it is true that after HIV seroconversion, there are symptoms of illness (sore throat, night sweats, fever, fatigue, etc.) that can last a few weeks. However, the symptoms are generally non-specific, different patients will present different symptoms, and some will present none at all, and among those who do present symptons, they usually only lasts for a few weeks, so it is almost never recognized as actute HIV infection. Most patients presenting these symptoms will be diagnosed with another infectious disease.


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27 Apr 2011, 9:40 pm

visagrunt wrote:
Well, from a medical perspective, this looks like lousy reporting to me.

Clearly these people are sick. But that is as far as we can conclude. As for the pathology, the evidence of transmission suggests infectious disease (I would be suprised to see a psychosomatic condition that provided that consistency and gravity of presentation, but it is not outside the realms of the possibe).

To describe it as "AIDS-like" appears to me to be fallacious. HIV destroys the human immune system. But HIV disease is not the immediate cause of death for patients--it is one or more opportunistic infections that take hold because the body has no way of fighting them. Reading this report, I see nothing to suggest that these patients are presenting opportunistic infections--nor even that their CD4+ T cell count is down.

While it is true that after HIV seroconversion, there are symptoms of illness (sore throat, night sweats, fever, fatigue, etc.) that can last a few weeks. However, the symptoms are generally non-specific, different patients will present different symptoms, and some will present none at all, and among those who do present symptons, they usually only lasts for a few weeks, so it is almost never recognized as actute HIV infection. Most patients presenting these symptoms will be diagnosed with another infectious disease.


What sort of disease do you think it may be? How are their symptoms unlike AIDS??


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28 Apr 2011, 1:05 pm

Aids like in the way it appears to be spreading. Well actually worse if the saliva aspect can spread it.

The goods news appears to be that nothing new has come of any of this, so it could have just been a big false alarm. If it is real then it is being kept very quiet.


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28 Apr 2011, 4:10 pm

jojobean wrote:
What sort of disease do you think it may be? How are their symptoms unlike AIDS??


As for the first question, I am in no position to offer a diagnosis. There is too little information and the symptoms described are simply too non-specific to point conclusively in any direction. (Not to mention the fact that these people aren't my patients...)

As for how the symptoms differ from AIDS, you have to remember that AIDS is a very specific circumstance: to be diagnosed with AIDS, a person must be HIV+ and must either present an AIDS-defining opportunistic infection (such as pneumocystis pneumonia or Kaposi's sarcoma) or a CD4+ T cell count under 200 (or 14% of lymphocytes). You will notice that none of the symptoms described by these patients are among the diagnostic criteria for AIDS.

The salient question for me is, "Are these patients immunocompromised?" If they are, then the phrase "AIDS-like" has relevance. But if they have healthy, functioning immune systems that are simply incapable of fighting whatever is causing these symptoms, then the label is inappropriate.


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29 Apr 2011, 11:11 pm

Thank you for explaining that difference to me. It would not surpise me if this were real and china managed to keep a tight lid on it including putting a sock in the mouth of organizations like WHO for the sake of national image. I told my friend who is an international airline stewardess about it and she said, "they are always having some crazy outbreak in China"


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