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28 Nov 2015, 4:45 pm

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^ I think you just have a hard time accepting that everyone isn't as partisan as you are.


If I am, so are you.


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28 Nov 2015, 9:13 pm

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^ I think you just have a hard time accepting that everyone isn't as partisan as you are.


If I am, so are you.


How many hardcore conservatives have you known that are against the war on drugs?
That distrust law enforcement?
That don't support many parts of the Patriot Act?
That support having a social safety net (not to be confused with a hammock)?

Really, I think your just resorting trolling now.


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29 Nov 2015, 1:12 am

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Raptor wrote:
^ I think you just have a hard time accepting that everyone isn't as partisan as you are.


If I am, so are you.


How many hardcore conservatives have you known that are against the war on drugs?
That distrust law enforcement?
That don't support many parts of the Patriot Act?
That support having a social safety net (not to be confused with a hammock)?

Really, I think your just resorting trolling now.


Then why don't you take that major, life changing step, and vote Democrat? After all, you're so non-partisan that you're apparently alienated from conservatives.


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29 Nov 2015, 1:22 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
^ I think you just have a hard time accepting that everyone isn't as partisan as you are.


If I am, so are you.


How many hardcore conservatives have you known that are against the war on drugs?
That distrust law enforcement?
That don't support many parts of the Patriot Act?
That support having a social safety net (not to be confused with a hammock)?

Really, I think your just resorting trolling now.


Then why don't you take that major, life changing step, and vote Democrat? After all, you're so non-partisan that you're apparently alienated from conservatives.


:roll: :roll:
The majority of me is still conservative and will remain so. You really don't get it or you're trolling.
You don't HAVE to be 100% one or the other.


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29 Nov 2015, 2:07 am

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
^ I think you just have a hard time accepting that everyone isn't as partisan as you are.


If I am, so are you.


How many hardcore conservatives have you known that are against the war on drugs?
That distrust law enforcement?
That don't support many parts of the Patriot Act?
That support having a social safety net (not to be confused with a hammock)?

Really, I think your just resorting trolling now.


Then why don't you take that major, life changing step, and vote Democrat? After all, you're so non-partisan that you're apparently alienated from conservatives.


:roll: :roll:
The majority of me is still conservative and will remain so. You really don't get it or you're trolling.
You don't HAVE to be 100% one or the other.


I think of it more as me being facetious.


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30 Nov 2015, 4:00 pm

The Banking & Finance industry has a great deal of not only financial power but, political power where they can dictate whatever terms they want regardless of whom is sitting behind that chair unless, it was someone whom would not put up with their BS and send them packing or something well deserving. After all, do we really need another gd crash? nope..


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02 Dec 2015, 12:43 am

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Believing a single word this woman utters requires the willful suspension of reason.


That's why I'm a Bernie man.


That's great . . . as far as it goes, but what happens after Hillary wins the primary?

You'll hold your nose with one hand, and vote for her with the other.



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02 Dec 2015, 1:31 am

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Believing a single word this woman utters requires the willful suspension of reason.


That's why I'm a Bernie man.


That's great . . . as far as it goes, but what happens after Hillary wins the primary?

You'll hold your nose with one hand, and vote for her with the other.


Considering that the Republicans would be running - if not Trump - then some other a$$hole like Cruz or Bush, I'll take Hilary any day.


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02 Dec 2015, 10:52 am

Good Lord, boys, you're older than I am!! Do either of you really believe that the party of your choice is going to save America????

When the TelePrompTer goes dark and they shut the cameras off, they're all working for the same string-pullers.

You can install Trump, or Sanders, or anyone in between, and four years later it's going to be the same mess, change a few details.

No one is going to save us. We have to save ourselves.

--Read the fine print, and then hire a lawyer to read it again.

--If you invest, invest only in what you understand. Ask questions-- including ones that are rude. I bit myself with that one. A bank that shall remain nameless packaged up a bunch of unethical sub-prime loans as an investment, and even called it socially conscious because they were "helping poor people afford home ownership." Won't make that mistake, or hopefully one similar to it, again.

--Remember that the s**t on TV ain't real, and does not reflect how you're supposed to be living your life.

--Here's a little story about "service," paraphrased from The Grapes of Wrath: "When I was a kid, my pa told me to take our cow down to the neighbor's bull and get her serviced. Ever since then, every time I hear the word 'service,' I wonder who's getting screwed."

--Live at, or below, your means. Not above. If that means a sh***y 10x50 single-wide trailer, so be it. If that means paying rent for a place in your parents' basement (or your childhood bedroom), so be it. If that means living "Mexican style" in a crowded-ass apartment with half your friends (or half a dozen strangers), so be it. Ditch the shame factor. What is considered "normal" in the Post-WWII West has not been normal for any other time or place in human history. It's nice, but it's not normal, and it's not necessary. It serves someone-- and although it's nice for you if you can afford it, that someone ain't you.

--Work, at something, to have a skill and to make a net contribution. Even if it's not much, and even if it isn't sufficient to support independent living. Do what you can, even when it's not what you thought it was going to be and even when it doesn't seem like anything. I knew a guy in college who sent his son to trade school on the money he made from collecting aluminum cans around town. All day, six days a week. You could tell from talking with him that he was significantly intellectually disabled. Most cases aren't that extreme.

--Do for yourself what you can. This doesn't mean you have to be able to build a modern house or reconstruct an engine. Something as menial and stupid as cooking my family's meals myself, from staples like beans and milk and (discount) meat and flour instead of from boxes and cans, saves us as much money every year as I would make working 25 hours a week for minimum wage. Fixing the toilet myself when it won't stop running pays for half the gas for the annual trip to spend Christmas in Florida with the MIL. Yes, disability does mean there are things you can't do. The lie we are taught these days is that it also means that there aren't things you CAN do. There are. Push the boundaries of "I Can Do." That's difficult. Do it anyway.

--Be kinder than you have to be. Help when you can, whenever you can. Help how you can, however you can. The more people do for each other, the less we have to pay or depend on .gov to do for us. Your "can't" is someone else's "can." Your "can" is someone else's "can't." If we put together a family's worth or a neighborhood's worth of cans and can'ts, there's a lot we can do and not a lot we can't. I have three female first cousins. When Mamaw was dying (and we couldn't get home health and no nursing home would take her), one of them couldn't deal with sick people or grief, one couldn't deal with grief, one was going through opiate withdrawal and couldn't do much more than laundry and sweeping, and I couldn't be there most of the time. The one who couldn't handle sickness or grief could do business, so she did the business. The one who couldn't deal with grief could handle sick people just fine, so she helped manage meds and baths and diaper changes. The one who could only sweep and wash swept and washed. I came down to fill in when I could, and the rest of time I phoned in an ear so someone could deal with everyone's grief/anger/everything else they wouldn't talk about to anyone other than the family 'tard. Everything got done, and my aunt was dead tired by the end of it all, but the only one who died was Mamaw. Without so much as a diaper rash, I might add.

The ship of state is sinking. No candidate or party is going to save us. Not Republican or Democrat or Libertarian or Green or Socialist or anything else. They're grabbing up lifeboats faster than rich old guys on the Titanic. It's up to us to save ourselves, and to help out the people to our left and right if they're at least trying to swim.

My rant.


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02 Dec 2015, 11:03 am

Republicans who were actually Libertarians gave us the Labor Wars.

Democrats gave us Reconstruction and the punitive decisions post-WWI that set up WWII. Democrats were largely responsible for the Red Scare. Yeah, there were Republicans in that too, but if you look at the political affiliations of those in power at the time, the Democrats did that.

Democrats and Republicans gave us the banking mess, with deregulation of some stuff and overregulation of other stuff.

Democrats and Republicans gave us the Great Depression.

Before that, laissez-faire economics (a Libertarian thing) gave us an extremely volatile economy (and the aforementioned Labor Wars).

Socialists and Communists were on the other side of the Labor Wars. Not in the sense of being on the right side-- they didn't really care if workers got better conditions or a living wage out of the deal. Their main goal was to make Socialists/Communists out of the workers. If not dying on the job or starving at home resulted from it all, that was OK too, but it wasn't the goal. Both sides wanted to WIN. Working people in Europe and America were pawns, stuck in the middle and getting shot, smashed, mangled, and starved either way you cut it.

The Green Party hasn't had a chance to historically muck things up yet, but the world they're proposing looks an awfully lot like The Giver to me.

We have to save ourselves.


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02 Dec 2015, 1:16 pm

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Good Lord, boys, you're older than I am!! Do either of you really believe that the party of your choice is going to save America????

When the TelePrompTer goes dark and they shut the cameras off, they're all working for the same string-pullers.

You can install Trump, or Sanders, or anyone in between, and four years later it's going to be the same mess, change a few details.

No one is going to save us. We have to save ourselves.

--Read the fine print, and then hire a lawyer to read it again.

--If you invest, invest only in what you understand. Ask questions-- including ones that are rude. I bit myself with that one. A bank that shall remain nameless packaged up a bunch of unethical sub-prime loans as an investment, and even called it socially conscious because they were "helping poor people afford home ownership." Won't make that mistake, or hopefully one similar to it, again.

--Remember that the s**t on TV ain't real, and does not reflect how you're supposed to be living your life.

--Here's a little story about "service," paraphrased from The Grapes of Wrath: "When I was a kid, my pa told me to take our cow down to the neighbor's bull and get her serviced. Ever since then, every time I hear the word 'service,' I wonder who's getting screwed."

--Live at, or below, your means. Not above. If that means a sh***y 10x50 single-wide trailer, so be it. If that means paying rent for a place in your parents' basement (or your childhood bedroom), so be it. If that means living "Mexican style" in a crowded-ass apartment with half your friends (or half a dozen strangers), so be it. Ditch the shame factor. What is considered "normal" in the Post-WWII West has not been normal for any other time or place in human history. It's nice, but it's not normal, and it's not necessary. It serves someone-- and although it's nice for you if you can afford it, that someone ain't you.

--Work, at something, to have a skill and to make a net contribution. Even if it's not much, and even if it isn't sufficient to support independent living. Do what you can, even when it's not what you thought it was going to be and even when it doesn't seem like anything. I knew a guy in college who sent his son to trade school on the money he made from collecting aluminum cans around town. All day, six days a week. You could tell from talking with him that he was significantly intellectually disabled. Most cases aren't that extreme.

--Do for yourself what you can. This doesn't mean you have to be able to build a modern house or reconstruct an engine. Something as menial and stupid as cooking my family's meals myself, from staples like beans and milk and (discount) meat and flour instead of from boxes and cans, saves us as much money every year as I would make working 25 hours a week for minimum wage. Fixing the toilet myself when it won't stop running pays for half the gas for the annual trip to spend Christmas in Florida with the MIL. Yes, disability does mean there are things you can't do. The lie we are taught these days is that it also means that there aren't things you CAN do. There are. Push the boundaries of "I Can Do." That's difficult. Do it anyway.

--Be kinder than you have to be. Help when you can, whenever you can. Help how you can, however you can. The more people do for each other, the less we have to pay or depend on .gov to do for us. Your "can't" is someone else's "can." Your "can" is someone else's "can't." If we put together a family's worth or a neighborhood's worth of cans and can'ts, there's a lot we can do and not a lot we can't. I have three female first cousins. When Mamaw was dying (and we couldn't get home health and no nursing home would take her), one of them couldn't deal with sick people or grief, one couldn't deal with grief, one was going through opiate withdrawal and couldn't do much more than laundry and sweeping, and I couldn't be there most of the time. The one who couldn't handle sickness or grief could do business, so she did the business. The one who couldn't deal with grief could handle sick people just fine, so she helped manage meds and baths and diaper changes. The one who could only sweep and wash swept and washed. I came down to fill in when I could, and the rest of time I phoned in an ear so someone could deal with everyone's grief/anger/everything else they wouldn't talk about to anyone other than the family 'tard. Everything got done, and my aunt was dead tired by the end of it all, but the only one who died was Mamaw. Without so much as a diaper rash, I might add.

The ship of state is sinking. No candidate or party is going to save us. Not Republican or Democrat or Libertarian or Green or Socialist or anything else. They're grabbing up lifeboats faster than rich old guys on the Titanic. It's up to us to save ourselves, and to help out the people to our left and right if they're at least trying to swim.

My rant.

^ All of it very well said.

This especially:
"You can install Trump, or Sanders, or anyone in between, and four years later it's going to be the same mess, change a few details.

No one is going to save us. We have to save ourselves."


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02 Dec 2015, 2:30 pm

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Good Lord, boys, you're older than I am!! Do either of you really believe that the party of your choice is going to save America????

When the TelePrompTer goes dark and they shut the cameras off, they're all working for the same string-pullers.

You can install Trump, or Sanders, or anyone in between, and four years later it's going to be the same mess, change a few details.

No one is going to save us. We have to save ourselves.

--Read the fine print, and then hire a lawyer to read it again.

--If you invest, invest only in what you understand. Ask questions-- including ones that are rude. I bit myself with that one. A bank that shall remain nameless packaged up a bunch of unethical sub-prime loans as an investment, and even called it socially conscious because they were "helping poor people afford home ownership." Won't make that mistake, or hopefully one similar to it, again.

--Remember that the s**t on TV ain't real, and does not reflect how you're supposed to be living your life.

--Here's a little story about "service," paraphrased from The Grapes of Wrath: "When I was a kid, my pa told me to take our cow down to the neighbor's bull and get her serviced. Ever since then, every time I hear the word 'service,' I wonder who's getting screwed."

--Live at, or below, your means. Not above. If that means a sh***y 10x50 single-wide trailer, so be it. If that means paying rent for a place in your parents' basement (or your childhood bedroom), so be it. If that means living "Mexican style" in a crowded-ass apartment with half your friends (or half a dozen strangers), so be it. Ditch the shame factor. What is considered "normal" in the Post-WWII West has not been normal for any other time or place in human history. It's nice, but it's not normal, and it's not necessary. It serves someone-- and although it's nice for you if you can afford it, that someone ain't you.

--Work, at something, to have a skill and to make a net contribution. Even if it's not much, and even if it isn't sufficient to support independent living. Do what you can, even when it's not what you thought it was going to be and even when it doesn't seem like anything. I knew a guy in college who sent his son to trade school on the money he made from collecting aluminum cans around town. All day, six days a week. You could tell from talking with him that he was significantly intellectually disabled. Most cases aren't that extreme.

--Do for yourself what you can. This doesn't mean you have to be able to build a modern house or reconstruct an engine. Something as menial and stupid as cooking my family's meals myself, from staples like beans and milk and (discount) meat and flour instead of from boxes and cans, saves us as much money every year as I would make working 25 hours a week for minimum wage. Fixing the toilet myself when it won't stop running pays for half the gas for the annual trip to spend Christmas in Florida with the MIL. Yes, disability does mean there are things you can't do. The lie we are taught these days is that it also means that there aren't things you CAN do. There are. Push the boundaries of "I Can Do." That's difficult. Do it anyway.

--Be kinder than you have to be. Help when you can, whenever you can. Help how you can, however you can. The more people do for each other, the less we have to pay or depend on .gov to do for us. Your "can't" is someone else's "can." Your "can" is someone else's "can't." If we put together a family's worth or a neighborhood's worth of cans and can'ts, there's a lot we can do and not a lot we can't. I have three female first cousins. When Mamaw was dying (and we couldn't get home health and no nursing home would take her), one of them couldn't deal with sick people or grief, one couldn't deal with grief, one was going through opiate withdrawal and couldn't do much more than laundry and sweeping, and I couldn't be there most of the time. The one who couldn't handle sickness or grief could do business, so she did the business. The one who couldn't deal with grief could handle sick people just fine, so she helped manage meds and baths and diaper changes. The one who could only sweep and wash swept and washed. I came down to fill in when I could, and the rest of time I phoned in an ear so someone could deal with everyone's grief/anger/everything else they wouldn't talk about to anyone other than the family 'tard. Everything got done, and my aunt was dead tired by the end of it all, but the only one who died was Mamaw. Without so much as a diaper rash, I might add.

The ship of state is sinking. No candidate or party is going to save us. Not Republican or Democrat or Libertarian or Green or Socialist or anything else. They're grabbing up lifeboats faster than rich old guys on the Titanic. It's up to us to save ourselves, and to help out the people to our left and right if they're at least trying to swim.

My rant.


No, I don't believe either party can "save" America, though I believe the likes of Trump or Cruz could make things a lot worse.


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