19 Jan 2020, 5:31 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Don’t know anything about the dead guy to have an opinion, but this is the General Lee I grew up knowing & it remains totally acceptable today:
I'm not seeing the image. What is it?
19 Jan 2020, 5:34 pm
VegetableMan wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Don’t know anything about the dead guy to have an opinion, but this is the General Lee I grew up knowing & it remains totally acceptable today:
I'm not seeing the image. What is it?
It is a picture of a car known as General Lee from a show.
19 Jan 2020, 5:36 pm
19 Jan 2020, 5:37 pm
19 Jan 2020, 5:43 pm
VegetableMan wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Don’t know anything about the dead guy to have an opinion, but this is the General Lee I grew up knowing & it remains totally acceptable today:
I'm not seeing the image. What is it?
I think there may be a car in there somewhere...
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19 Jan 2020, 5:50 pm
cyberdad wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
General Lee was a hero against the North's war of aggression. Only fantasist liberals just see race everywhere cause they are the real racists.
Historical fact 1 - The primary catalyst for secession was slavery, most immediately the political battle over the right of Southerners to bring slavery into western territory that had hitherto been free under the terms of the Missouri Compromise or while part of Mexico. Another factor for secession and the formation of the Confederacy, was white Southern nationalism which was seperate to the union "American nationalism". Almost all historians agree on this
Historical Fact 2 -The war began when the Confederates bombarded Union soldiers at Fort Sumter, South Carolina on April 12, 1861.
Every recognised historian in the US agrees race was the primary factor in the south wanting secession and that the confederates were the instigators who started the war. General Lee was therefore both a white nationalist and a traitor
It isn't politically correct to mention actual facts about the War of Southern Treachery. You're supposed to peddle the politically correct Lost Cause BS.
19 Jan 2020, 6:00 pm
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19 Jan 2020, 7:02 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
General Lee was a hero against the North's war of aggression. Only fantasist liberals just see race everywhere cause they are the real racists.
Historical fact 1 - The primary catalyst for secession was slavery, most immediately the political battle over the right of Southerners to bring slavery into western territory that had hitherto been free under the terms of the Missouri Compromise or while part of Mexico. Another factor for secession and the formation of the Confederacy, was white Southern nationalism which was seperate to the union "American nationalism". Almost all historians agree on this
Historical Fact 2 -The war began when the Confederates bombarded Union soldiers at Fort Sumter, South Carolina on April 12, 1861.
Every recognised historian in the US agrees race was the primary factor in the south wanting secession and that the confederates were the instigators who started the war. General Lee was therefore both a white nationalist and a traitor
It isn't politically correct to mention actual facts about the War of Southern Treachery. You're supposed to peddle the politically correct Lost Cause BS.
Ironically calling people traitors cause they refused to be bullied by the more powerful force via economic sanctions sure seems a bit Nazish
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19 Jan 2020, 7:44 pm
JohnPowell wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
General Lee was a hero against the North's war of aggression. Only fantasist liberals just see race everywhere cause they are the real racists.
Historical fact 1 - The primary catalyst for secession was slavery, most immediately the political battle over the right of Southerners to bring slavery into western territory that had hitherto been free under the terms of the Missouri Compromise or while part of Mexico. Another factor for secession and the formation of the Confederacy, was white Southern nationalism which was seperate to the union "American nationalism". Almost all historians agree on this
Historical Fact 2 -The war began when the Confederates bombarded Union soldiers at Fort Sumter, South Carolina on April 12, 1861.
Every recognised historian in the US agrees race was the primary factor in the south wanting secession and that the confederates were the instigators who started the war. General Lee was therefore both a white nationalist and a traitor
It isn't politically correct to mention actual facts about the War of Southern Treachery. You're supposed to peddle the politically correct Lost Cause BS.
Ironically calling people traitors cause they refused to be bullied by the more powerful force via economic sanctions sure seems a bit Nazish
You can trot out whatever twisted logic you'd like to defend the south's war to defend the institution of slavery, it won't change what you're defending.
19 Jan 2020, 7:55 pm
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19 Jan 2020, 9:23 pm
Persephone29 wrote:
The reason anyone does anything is money. South wanted a certain amount of time to make the newest investment in slavery pay off, get the crops in and get right financially. North didn't want them to get right financially... Solution - free the slaves NOW. Neither side gave a damn about the slaves... Not the North, not the South. West Virginia seceded because they gave even less of a s**t about anything.
Succinct enough?
Succinct enough?
Interesting black and white take on things. So you figure the North made their fortunes from slavery faster than the South and then simply sought to hold onto their power position by eliminating slavery before the South caught up? Possible. But there’s got to be more politics to it than just money.. no?
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19 Jan 2020, 9:51 pm
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19 Jan 2020, 10:35 pm
Tim_Tex wrote:
I am mostly upset about being priced out of the more progressive parts of the country, where there are more people who have the same interests as me, and I feel that intense social engineering of people in the red states is the only alternative.
Personally, I prefer to be working class poor in a nicer more progressive area - and I am.
I’d way rather make concessions to carry on living where I do than move away to some backwards place. Mind you, there are plenty of cheap places across Canada that aren’t anywhere near as backwards as stereotypical trump country.. so I wouldn’t have it as bad. But still, rather stick around here than relocate. Just sayin’.. you can probably tough it out around good people vs go immerse yourself in a culture you dislike.
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19 Jan 2020, 11:44 pm
Fnord wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Don’t know anything about the dead guy to have an opinion, but this is the General Lee I grew up knowing & it remains totally acceptable today:
I'm not seeing the image. What is it?
I think there may be a car in there somewhere...
