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14 Dec 2008, 3:42 pm

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Why bother with artificial wombs? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Mother Nature knows best, in cases like these.


if a mother dies whilst pregnant the baby might be able to survive if given an artificial womb to call a temporary home, which would work similar to an incubation chamber for premature babies.


That's true, but it would be the exception and not the rule.


what about when women need a hysterectomy or have cancer of the womb? an artificial womb could give them a chance to have children, the same as pacemakers help those with heart defects.


Artificial wombs, like artificial limbs, cardiac pacemakers and other prosthesetic devices, were meant to replace nature, not to improve on it. Do you get my drift?



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14 Dec 2008, 4:05 pm

Erm guys how do you think a robot is going to provide an artificial womb when humans have a placenta with blood and nutrients flowing through it and machines do not?

Besides we already have artificial wombs its called surrogate mothers. There is hardly any demand for what you are suggesting in fact the birth rate has gone down as women of today have less interest in making babies. Or maybe they had little interest in the past but were just forced to get married thus babies being the byproduct.



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14 Dec 2008, 4:16 pm

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Artificial wombs, like artificial limbs, cardiac pacemakers and other prosthesetic devices, were meant to replace nature, not to improve on it. Do you get my drift?


i see what you mean, but if an artificial heart was able to beat three times faster and harder without the person suffering cardiac arrest it would be an improvement, it just depends on the level of technology and whether the person recieving it works well with the artificial implant.




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Erm guys how do you think a robot is going to provide an artificial womb when humans have a placenta with blood and nutrients flowing through it and machines do not?

Besides we already have artificial wombs its called surrogate mothers. There is hardly any demand for what you are suggesting in fact the birth rate has gone down as women of today have less interest in making babies. Or maybe they had little interest in the past but were just forced to get married thus babies being the byproduct.


pipes exist and so do microscopic mechanisms meaning we could make an artificial mechanical womb, placenta, or anything to mimic human organs.


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14 Dec 2008, 4:31 pm

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Erm guys how do you think a robot is going to provide an artificial womb when humans have a placenta with blood and nutrients flowing through it and machines do not?

Besides we already have artificial wombs its called surrogate mothers. There is hardly any demand for what you are suggesting in fact the birth rate has gone down as women of today have less interest in making babies. Or maybe they had little interest in the past but were just forced to get married thus babies being the byproduct.



thats besides the point, the point is if people like us male aspies want family's and it being near imposable for some of us to get a date let alone into a relationship long enough to have children and even then having to fight for them in custody disputes it may be far kinder to the male to just replace the female with something else that can help the male have children anyways, and who wants to adopt when you can have your own, and as much or as difficult as it costs to adopt in due time it may be easier just to make your own, most males want to procreate to continue their own blood line not someone else's.



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14 Dec 2008, 4:37 pm

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pipes exist and so do microscopic mechanisms meaning we could make an artificial mechanical womb, placenta, or anything to mimic human organs.


There is no absolute need to do this. Rather than turn into the Borg, I'd rather preserve our precious humanity in these very in-human times. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you must do it. Do you get my drift?



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14 Dec 2008, 4:49 pm

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There is no absolute need to do this. Rather than turn into the Borg, I'd rather preserve our precious humanity in these very in-human times. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you must do it. Do you get my drift?


some people say a child dying of blood loss is a lost cause because blood transfusions are against god, i've met someone who would gladly let their child die in this case which disgusts me. if you can allow a life to continue you should unless it's a certain situation which alows otherwise.


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14 Dec 2008, 4:58 pm

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some people say a child dying of blood loss is a lost cause because blood transfusions are against god


I am certainly not one of these people. I am not a Jehova Witness.

Did you think I was?



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14 Dec 2008, 7:19 pm

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Erm guys how do you think a robot is going to provide an artificial womb when humans have a placenta with blood and nutrients flowing through it and machines do not?

Besides we already have artificial wombs its called surrogate mothers. There is hardly any demand for what you are suggesting in fact the birth rate has gone down as women of today have less interest in making babies. Or maybe they had little interest in the past but were just forced to get married thus babies being the byproduct.



thats besides the point, the point is if people like us male aspies want family's and it being near imposable for some of us to get a date let alone into a relationship long enough to have children and even then having to fight for them in custody disputes it may be far kinder to the male to just replace the female with something else that can help the male have children anyways, and who wants to adopt when you can have your own, and as much or as difficult as it costs to adopt in due time it may be easier just to make your own, most males want to procreate to continue their own blood line not someone else's.



Okay where you going to get the egg?

And what makes you think single Aspie men would make great father's since only 6% of them can find work? I mean working is easier than parenting so if you can't even work do you have any business having kids? I will say being raised by an Aspie mom I was neglected terribly and endured verbal and emotional abuse and belief social services should have taken me away from her. I can only go by myself and the other Aspies I have met in person and can say none of us have any business having kids because we are incapable of taking care of our own selves properly.



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14 Dec 2008, 7:24 pm

Ticker wrote:
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Erm guys how do you think a robot is going to provide an artificial womb when humans have a placenta with blood and nutrients flowing through it and machines do not?

Besides we already have artificial wombs its called surrogate mothers. There is hardly any demand for what you are suggesting in fact the birth rate has gone down as women of today have less interest in making babies. Or maybe they had little interest in the past but were just forced to get married thus babies being the byproduct.



thats besides the point, the point is if people like us male aspies want family's and it being near imposable for some of us to get a date let alone into a relationship long enough to have children and even then having to fight for them in custody disputes it may be far kinder to the male to just replace the female with something else that can help the male have children anyways, and who wants to adopt when you can have your own, and as much or as difficult as it costs to adopt in due time it may be easier just to make your own, most males want to procreate to continue their own blood line not someone else's.


Okay where you going to get the egg?

And what makes you think single Aspie men would make great father's since only 6% of them can find work? I mean working is easier than parenting so if you can't even work do you have any business having kids? I will say being raised by an Aspie mom I was neglected terribly and endured verbal and emotional abuse and belief social services should have taken me away from her. I can only go by myself and the other Aspies I have met in person and can say none of us have any business having kids because we are incapable of taking care of our own selves properly.



Just for your information, I am a single father and I am a great dad, I love parenting and I love my son, and I work my ass off and take full responsibility for my life and actions, not all people with autisms are helpless, in fact I think most arnt its just a matter of will and want and drive, not to mention your lumping everyone here into a general catagory and judging them, just read in the parenting forum here, there are many good and happy parents and children.

and as for where to get the eggs, just like sperm banks there are egg banks.



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14 Dec 2008, 7:45 pm

Well then you are the exception as an Aspie male. Obviously you are super high functioning because the majority if AS males I have met had to have their mom accompany them to AS meetings.



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15 Dec 2008, 8:41 am

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some people say a child dying of blood loss is a lost cause because blood transfusions are against god


I am certainly not one of these people. I am not a Jehova Witness.

Did you think I was?


no that's not what i think, what i meant by what i said was that there are different levels of what people believe is right, going from what you've said previously i'm guessing you're part of the christian faith.

what i did mean however is that if humanity needs an implant to survive better with more fullfilled lives then they should go for it.


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15 Dec 2008, 10:56 am

familiar_stranger wrote:
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some people say a child dying of blood loss is a lost cause because blood transfusions are against god


I am certainly not one of these people. I am not a Jehova Witness.

Did you think I was?


no that's not what i think, what i meant by what i said was that there are different levels of what people believe is right, going from what you've said previously i'm guessing you're part of the christian faith.

what i did mean however is that if humanity needs an implant to survive better with more fullfilled lives then they should go for it.


Absolutely. I have nothing against augmenting the human body with replacement parts when it is necessary or beneficial. But why give me bionic limbs when my natural limbs work just fine?



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15 Dec 2008, 11:01 am

But if it's possible to regrow/replace damaged tissues from the body's indigenous cells, that is even better than introducing prosthestics. But with any new bio-tech, there are always bio-ethical and legal entanglements to consider. The human race has a real knack for taking something intended only for good and turning it into something harmful.



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15 Dec 2008, 8:06 pm

hadn't caught the name the first time around...;) Aiko (a type of Poser character model for a 3d art program called Poser) has gone from A1-A4. There's even an Aikobot character...;)

Life imitates art...again...;)



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16 Dec 2008, 5:58 am

Man creates robot girlfriend. How lonely do you have to be ...? :o

Anyone see that movie Lars and the Real Girl?