Appalled By How Cop Handles Teenage Girl!

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It's an overreaction.
No one is throwing police to the lambs.
People are listening to eye witnesses. The guy that shot the video footage is a white teenage boy. His belief, which he told reporters, is the black teenagers were being targeted because he said the cops were ordering them to sit down and when the cop approached him they just looked him over and didn't care if he was standing or sitting so he believed it was racially motivated and that came from him and he was actually there. So, do you think he has valid input into the situation considering he saw it with his own eyes and was a part of it?

Where did that come from? I think your slope is slippery.

And just for the record, a black teenage boy who was also arrested at this "party" claims nothing that went on was racially motivated whatsoever. He completely denied, in an interview, any racism on part of the police.

Still not sure who at this pool actually lived in this neighborhood (the pool in question is a community pool located in a suburb for use by the people who live there and up to two guests per resident allowed to be invited:

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The officer in question was forced to resign due to the media circus over this event. An event where he used far less force than what my sister and I used to use on one another when playing around (no one has told me how you're supposed to restrain someone in a better way than what he did). The supervisors remarks are clearly political.

Nope. See Baltimore and New York (crimes jumping through the roof as police stop being proactive due to fear of doing their job). A slippery slope is when you have something that isn't logically connected happening; this is the exact same thing, and police will start to fear being made a media plaything.

That was afterwards and a part of the ruckus I mentioned (I'm sure neither side was innocent; it happens when people trespass, which is why you don't let them). The guard called the police because he couldn't stop people from trespassing.

You don't know that's why he restrained her. No one knows the reason.

If he had a valid reason to restrain her, then he did his job. The main thing is if he didn't have a valid reason to. If she wouldn't leave private property, then yes, that's valid.

"Liberal" or conservative doesn't matter here -- NY and Baltimore were the ones before this, and they're as "liberal" as you get.

You're missing the point. If we all behaved like children we would not be civilized. The police should exemplify this. He behaved like a child. That is the problem.

How can you compare it to what you and your sister do when you are both willing participants and have equal input into what is happening? It isn't the same situation. It's got nothing to do with politics and all about keeping a bad cop from abusing his authority and police in Texas will not be afraid. This part of the country is NOTHING like the north east where it seems, there are large high rise projects that, kind of, ghettoize a lot of people of color so everyone is ready to riot in defense of their race. In this part of the country, you have lower class blacks, whites, latinos, Asians, living side by side in the same neighborhood, especially in working class communities so it's not so much a matter of us v. them.

It's more like it is out west, like in California. Same sort of thing. There are parts of town that are more black than other races but there's plenty of parts that have all kinds of races and ethnic groups living within a few blocks of each other so they learned how to get along.

Police brutality still occurs but it's been a long time since anyone rioted in the southwest and out in California, they only rioted after Rodney King, that appeared to be an extreme case caught on camera.
Seems like the northeast is set to go off but things around here aren't nearly so tense. If you look at Hurricane Katrina, if something should have sparked riots, it should have been that, yet, nothing. It's an easier going attitude.

So we aren't going to see cops afraid to do their jobs around here. It will be business as usual.

And, how is he supposed to restrain her then?

That's actually the point, because that's what people are upset over.

What he should have done is let the other cops handle it.

Let's assume she was the aggressor (for which there is no evidence.) Let's say she kicked him. Now, as a grown man, if you were in such a gathering and a girl younger than you kicked you. What would you do?

Simple.

It's a comparison of force being used. No less that a brother and sister playing.

So, you assume another officer would have been better if she was resisting in the same way? Two officers would have been better, but they would have put her on the ground in the same way until she calmed down.

It's pure speculation that anyone else would have done a more gentle looking take down.

Aggressor doesn't matter here, as he was restraining her, not defending himself. Police can restrain you for millions of reasons that don't involve you attacking them, and if you resist it, they have to use more force.

You didn't answer. If you were tasked with restraining this teenager (putting in cuffs or similar), how would you do it (she's actively resisting it too)?

I would defend myself if a teenager kicked me, and it'd be far more violent than what this officer did (kicking is assault and battery).

If a 14 year old girl kicked me at a pool party, I would adopt a defensive posture and talk to her. It's moot for me though as I am an old woman and could easily be taken down by a 14 year old girl.


Specifically a teenage girl. If a boy did so at that age, you'd have to act in kind.
My point is that he didn't need to resort to force. Perhaps they should teach communication skills in police academies, as words are a powerful tool. As are images. To rely solely on force in this situation is lazy.

If a teen started attacking me, I would fight back in self defense. Most teens are the size of an adult so they would be my size or bigger. I doubt I would be able to restrain them and I doubt having a talk with them would work because I would be fighting to get away.

Actually it was worse because this was not playing, the cop was angry and he could have seriously injured her and as I know from my own neighborhood, where a death occurred in a similar situation, it is easy to press the knees into someone without looking like much force is being used when it actually is, and an angry cop is more likely to grind down and apply pressure just because he's pissed off. Remember last time you were pissed off, I mean really mad about something? Can't you remember clinching your teeth and wanting to push the ground away with your feet or push something with all your might using your hands and arms? Most of us know that feeling. When dealing with the living, it's dangerous and counter productive to enter that state.

From what appears on the video, the other officers were in better control of the situation and could have easily dealt with her.