Make America WHITE AGAIN!
Economics have a HUGE amount to do with it. On several fronts.
On a human front: People who are cold, wet, hungry, unsafe, sick, and scared will riot. They will riot, they will hate those who have excesses of the basic needs they lack access to, and they will gain access to those resources by force if need be. That's survival instinct. That's not even "listening to the monkey." I try very hard to tell "the monkey" to go play with its feces and leave me alone; consequently I would have a harder time rousing myself to riot, theft, or violence, but I would do it if necessary for the survival of my young.
That's where things like a living wage and a safety net are necessary parts of a civilized society. People without access to basic necessities are violent people. While I revile violence, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
On a cultural front: People who have basic necessities but are not secure in them, or shamefully know they have them as "the bones from someone's table" and are shamed because of it, are going to resent those who have so much more, so much easier, with so much higher a valuation placed on them. It might escalate to violence and it might not; I remember myself and most of my friends being in that position as children growing up in poverty and/or on Food Stamps. When the cashier makes fun of you as you try to check out with milk, bread, and the FS coupons that we're all your mother had to give you, you get angry. You might turn that anger into violence, or give-upism, or a driving determination to never and phobia of ever ending up there again... But you're going to get mad. You're going to experience bitterness and envy, especially if those who have it so much easier are idolized, idealized, and waved in your face. What you do with that feeling is, ultimately, up to you and what you were taught... Some are not going to be taught to rise above, and some are going to choose to listen to "the monkey."
Living wage. Not shaming people for needing a hand up. Not shaming children for being on welfare-- even if their parents are lazy freeloaders (don't tell me they don't exist; I'm related to too many), it ain't the kids' fault. Shaming isn't as likely to motivate them to rise above as it is to drive them to join in.
Also on a cultural front: This is what we're guilty of in the US that angers me. I do not have a problem with prosperity being the reward for hard work, or even the wise management of good luck. I don't have a problem with some having more than others, as long as all have access to basic needs without shame or loss of personhood. I have a MASSIVE problem with consumerism and the worship of material wealth as it is practiced in my country. The way we idolize and idealize wealth and wealthy people makes me sick. The way we present lavish lifestyles as a norm nauseates me. The way we allow marketers to convince people that they must have sports cars to really be driving, lots and lots of fashionable name-brand clothes to really be dressed, tons of toys and the very best zip code to really be providing (when Thistown, Thattown, and T'Othertown are all safe places with low crime and decent schools, but Thattown is BETTER because property values are higher than T'Othertown and the high school tested out two points higher than Thistown, that's zip code envy) infuriates me. Since WWII, we have enculturated our populace to believe that enough is just a beginning, not really enough.
It's sick in so many ways. It drives the need for some to live in poverty so others can have absurdity-- and makes absurdity desirable. It drives the need for the tithings that people are taught to 'need' to be produced in wage-slave conditions and sold by people earning less than a living wage that must be subsidized by welfare. It's the reason that minimum wage increases won't fix the problem for more than a matter of weeks to months. It drives the ghetto culture. It drives discontent and envy, and the desire to repeat the trick of climbing high up the dogpile by treading on the backs of others instead of the desire to build strong communities by helping each other up to a level that isn't absurd.
It costs the many a great deal, even those still hanging onto enough as my family is, to benefit a very few.
It's a hell of a knot. Unraveling it is simple...and next to impossible.
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On a human front: People who are cold, wet, hungry, unsafe, sick, and scared will riot. They will riot, they will hate those who have excesses of the basic needs they lack access to, and they will gain access to those resources by force if need be. That's survival instinct. That's not even "listening to the monkey." I try very hard to tell "the monkey" to go play with its feces and leave me alone; consequently I would have a harder time rousing myself to riot, theft, or violence, but I would do it if necessary for the survival of my young.
That's where things like a living wage and a safety net are necessary parts of a civilized society. People without access to basic necessities are violent people. While I revile violence, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
On a cultural front: People who have basic necessities but are not secure in them, or shamefully know they have them as "the bones from someone's table" and are shamed because of it, are going to resent those who have so much more, so much easier, with so much higher a valuation placed on them. It might escalate to violence and it might not; I remember myself and most of my friends being in that position as children growing up in poverty and/or on Food Stamps. When the cashier makes fun of you as you try to check out with milk, bread, and the FS coupons that we're all your mother had to give you, you get angry. You might turn that anger into violence, or give-upism, or a driving determination to never and phobia of ever ending up there again... But you're going to get mad. You're going to experience bitterness and envy, especially if those who have it so much easier are idolized, idealized, and waved in your face. What you do with that feeling is, ultimately, up to you and what you were taught... Some are not going to be taught to rise above, and some are going to choose to listen to "the monkey."
Living wage. Not shaming people for needing a hand up. Not shaming children for being on welfare-- even if their parents are lazy freeloaders (don't tell me they don't exist; I'm related to too many), it ain't the kids' fault. Shaming isn't as likely to motivate them to rise above as it is to drive them to join in.
Also on a cultural front: This is what we're guilty of in the US that angers me. I do not have a problem with prosperity being the reward for hard work, or even the wise management of good luck. I don't have a problem with some having more than others, as long as all have access to basic needs without shame or loss of personhood. I have a MASSIVE problem with consumerism and the worship of material wealth as it is practiced in my country. The way we idolize and idealize wealth and wealthy people makes me sick. The way we present lavish lifestyles as a norm nauseates me. The way we allow marketers to convince people that they must have sports cars to really be driving, lots and lots of fashionable name-brand clothes to really be dressed, tons of toys and the very best zip code to really be providing (when Thistown, Thattown, and T'Othertown are all safe places with low crime and decent schools, but Thattown is BETTER because property values are higher than T'Othertown and the high school tested out two points higher than Thistown, that's zip code envy) infuriates me. Since WWII, we have enculturated our populace to believe that enough is just a beginning, not really enough.
It's sick in so many ways. It drives the need for some to live in poverty so others can have absurdity-- and makes absurdity desirable. It drives the need for the tithings that people are taught to 'need' to be produced in wage-slave conditions and sold by people earning less than a living wage that must be subsidized by welfare. It's the reason that minimum wage increases won't fix the problem for more than a matter of weeks to months. It drives the ghetto culture. It drives discontent and envy, and the desire to repeat the trick of climbing high up the dogpile by treading on the backs of others instead of the desire to build strong communities by helping each other up to a level that isn't absurd.
It costs the many a great deal, even those still hanging onto enough as my family is, to benefit a very few.
It's a hell of a knot. Unraveling it is simple...and next to impossible.
Incredibly well said. I wish there was an emoticon for clapping hands.
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Look at rich cities like San Francisco, and San Jose, both "mixed", and very high crime.
Likely, if they transitioned to all white, their crimes number will plunge.
I just want to make a lot of money.
Buy into the right area, and it's not hard to make $300,000-$500,000 over 20 years.
Buy into the wrong area, and you go nowhere over 20 years.
So, I can see why people may say, "Make America white again".
Regardless, most blacks - like most whites - don't commit crimes. A minority from impoverished areas tend to be habitual trouble makers, or people are arrested for drug crimes, which is just a means of racial suppression (proof of that is that far more non-whites are convicted of drug crimes, even though whites use drugs in equal percentages)
And you can see why people would want America to be all white? I presume also all straight, all affluent, all God fearin' fundies. That describes Mayberry, and I don't want to live in Mayberry, as it was devoid of anyone interesting.
That's the point I was trying to make in my original response! The candidate from TN is trying to bring back something that was a fantasy in the first place: white bread sitcoms from the '50 and early '60s as his basis. Those ideas were nothing more than 1930-1960's Hollywood Dream Machine. That reality never really existed. Society really hasn't changed that much since that time: if anything, it's trying to regress back to the Jim Crow Era.
Case in point: I'm white bread, but I get little if no respect from my white bread brethren. Now, those in the 'hood, once they get to know me, don't have any problem with me. Unless they really piss me off, they pretty much leave me alone, and vice versus. It's the only way I can get along with people. The old saying is true: secure fences make for good neighbors. Don't cop an attitude on me, and you won't have any trouble from me. Start acting like a condescending jerk with me, and you're asking for trouble. In short, in order to earn respect, you need to show respect.
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I often tend to feel marginalized by everyone and anyone, though I tend to think that's more due to my autism than due to my low economic status. And on that last, I've decided a long time ago that I refuse to be cowed into feeling shame or inferior because of my poverty. Most of the people who judge me are too dumb to carry on an intelligent conversation, anyhow.
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I often tend to feel marginalized by everyone and anyone, though I tend to think that's more due to my autism than due to my low economic status. And on that last, I've decided a long time ago that I refuse to be cowed into feeling shame or inferior because of my poverty. Most of the people who judge me are too dumb to carry on an intelligent conversation, anyhow.
I never really thought of it as other people being too dumb, though for decades I thought I myself was the too dumb one. rather it is a matter of frequency, the other people who don't get me are tuned to a different frequency, a more materialistic one.
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I often tend to feel marginalized by everyone and anyone, though I tend to think that's more due to my autism than due to my low economic status. And on that last, I've decided a long time ago that I refuse to be cowed into feeling shame or inferior because of my poverty. Most of the people who judge me are too dumb to carry on an intelligent conversation, anyhow.
I never really thought of it as other people being too dumb, though for decades I thought I myself was the too dumb one. rather it is a matter of frequency, the other people who don't get me are tuned to a different frequency, a more materialistic one.
Oh, there have definitely been people who have thought me dumb, primarily because I often didn't know how to act like everyone else in a given situation.
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I often tend to feel marginalized by everyone and anyone, though I tend to think that's more due to my autism than due to my low economic status. And on that last, I've decided a long time ago that I refuse to be cowed into feeling shame or inferior because of my poverty. Most of the people who judge me are too dumb to carry on an intelligent conversation, anyhow.
I never really thought of it as other people being too dumb, though for decades I thought I myself was the too dumb one. rather it is a matter of frequency, the other people who don't get me are tuned to a different frequency, a more materialistic one.
Oh, there have definitely been people who have thought me dumb, primarily because I often didn't know how to act like everyone else in a given situation.
for me it is also a matter of being in the lower class but being rejected by both the lower and middle class.
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I often tend to feel marginalized by everyone and anyone, though I tend to think that's more due to my autism than due to my low economic status. And on that last, I've decided a long time ago that I refuse to be cowed into feeling shame or inferior because of my poverty. Most of the people who judge me are too dumb to carry on an intelligent conversation, anyhow.
I never really thought of it as other people being too dumb, though for decades I thought I myself was the too dumb one. rather it is a matter of frequency, the other people who don't get me are tuned to a different frequency, a more materialistic one.
Oh, there have definitely been people who have thought me dumb, primarily because I often didn't know how to act like everyone else in a given situation.
for me it is also a matter of being in the lower class but being rejected by both the lower and middle class.
I tend to find acceptance with others living in genteel poverty, and who can carry on an intelligent conversation about history, politics, religion, the arts, etc.
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I guess it's just hard to find people like us
Well, if you're ever on the east side of the state, you can get together with my wife and I, and my friend (who is also my daughter's Godfather), and his fiance, and we'll have hours of conversation over cheap dinner!
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I guess it's just hard to find people like us
Well, if you're ever on the east side of the state, you can get together with my wife and I, and my friend (who is also my daughter's Godfather), and his fiance, and we'll have hours of conversation over cheap dinner!
Yay
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I guess it's just hard to find people like us
Well, if you're ever on the east side of the state, you can get together with my wife and I, and my friend (who is also my daughter's Godfather), and his fiance, and we'll have hours of conversation over cheap dinner!
Yay
It's a deal!
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If you're ever in Western PA, look me up. If the weather's warm, we'll build a fire in the back yard, burn some wieners, and carry on hillbilly style. If the weather's cold, we can toss some ham and beans in the pressure cooker and sit around the table.
Hope your sensitivities can cope with barking dogs and screaming children.
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