Mexico Rebukes US Over "Zero Tolerance" Immigration Policy

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13 Jul 2018, 4:15 pm

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I'm old enough to recall that Israel put up that wall in response to waves of suicide bombings.

Unfortunately they were not prudent in their placement of it and it ended up bisecting personal property and Palestinian villages, in some instances, cutting villages off from water supplies and farming families off from their crops.


Yeah that's not why they put the wall up. They did it to steal water, land and resources.


How did you come to this idea?


Because of the water they stole and the tens of thousands of alleged potential Palestinian terrorists that ended up on the 'Israeli' side of the wall. Nothing to do with security. Like how Israel says the siege on Gaza is about security when they ban baby chicks and chocolate bars from going in.


I'm not very educated on the water issue of stealing water so it would be helpful if you showed me the sources that brought you to that conclusion.


I would have to look back through "Beyond Chutzpah- The Misuse Of Anti-Semitism And The Abuse Of History" by Norman Finkelstein. Knowing Norman he will answer your question personally in an email if you ask him. I can't remember the facts off by heart but Israel steals a lot of water resources from the West Bank. Same with Lebanon

www.wrmea.org/2003-september/israel-u.s ... water.html


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15 Jul 2018, 1:02 pm

I can understand the anti-immigration backlash in Europe to some degree. A non-insignificant subset of Muslims migrating to Europe do seem to have rather idiotic backward religious views that aren't exactly compatible with rational post-enlightenment values. I see absolutely no reason to be afraid of freaking Mexicans though, other than blatant racism. Mexicans immigrants didn't take ur jeeeerbs you pathetic morons... corporate CEOs moved them to Mexico when they moved the factories. :roll: It's almost as if right wing deplorables get a raging boner from attacking people lowest on the wealth-privilege hierarchy while turning a complete blind eye to any harmful actions of those at the top. It's like injustice and cruelty gives them a gigantic hard-on. They find any excuse to attack people poorer and more desperate than themselves.



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15 Jul 2018, 1:15 pm

I read the last page of posts and it pains me to learn that none of you seem to grasp that this has very little to do with Mexicans, with respect to migrants, but with certain Central American countries that have become impossible for many of their citizens to live in.

Mexico shares this border with the US, so I suppose they feel they should have a say in the policy. At some point, I hope some sort of meaningful negotiation takes place. The problem right now is that the US government is playing this for the benefit of an ignorant US population that can't be expected to understand, or want to understand, the relevant history. The basic assumption is that the public wants to see the Government get tough, to contrast with previous governments that apparently did not. You may be aware there is an election in progress. Maybe after the election.

I do hold the US at least partly responsible for this situation. Had the US incarcerated certain gang leaders rather than deport them to Honduras etc., then it's possible we wouldn't have this crisis today.


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19 Jul 2018, 8:25 pm

MaxE wrote:
I read the last page of posts and it pains me to learn that none of you seem to grasp that this has very little to do with Mexicans, with respect to migrants, but with certain Central American countries that have become impossible for many of their citizens to live in.


If the truth 'pains you', what do you think it is doing to citizens of underclasses who aren't cut out for the political establishment, that endeavours to deceive its people, and strip a giant nation of land owners and agricultural workers from arable farm land meant to house poor refugees. The climate agreement was supposed to cut the impact of tragic events from happening in the first place, so that when the clean up really did begin no one would feel any worse for it. Does the Trump embassy care to get their hands dirty in the pulpit of former Obama expenditure whereby as a democrat, that is what they do day in day out, even though they get nonplussed for votes based on point scoring with Russian schemers and diplomats now extradited on accounts of playing too dirty with us?


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Mexico shares this border with the US, so I suppose they feel they should have a say in the policy. At some point, I hope some sort of meaningful negotiation takes place. The problem right now is that the US government is playing this for the benefit of an ignorant US population that can't be expected to understand, or want to understand, the relevant history.,


The point is we hope to resume future relations to our trading partners but mostly our neighbours, which don't have to belong to the commonwealth to have a say, and although Trump says ''Sue the E.U'', what he really means is if you trade with us, there won't be no financial implications. Well, instead of putting himself first, maybe setting out to achieve a worthwhile goal in the Eyes of America and the rest of the world might score backing points with the people instead of what the senate says or does and actually gives World Peace a chance instead.
The troubling thing is that favouritism is being machined through a human right convention, when it should be a peoples act of freedom that secures a common If not regal vote that doesn't marginalise anyone.
We are keeping our workers rights here from abroad, because leave or remain, the U.K wants to take back control from an unpopular authoritarian almost totalitarian setup that people are confused by and have had enough of.



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20 Jul 2018, 12:11 am

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If the apologists cannot perceive the utter ugliness of what is happening, no words can reach their closed minds.

This is a tragedy on so many levels. I read updates and apologia and it makes me feel physical and emotional pain that people can be so callous, blind, cruel and indifferent to outrageous acts of cruelty.

Not sure I want to live much longer if this is the way things are going, and ordinary people are becoming monsters without compassion.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/a ... d=12074288


Did Gen Michael Hayden compare Trump separating kids to the Holocaust? 8O

Guess what Gen, Hitler became the most hated guy in the world and Germany has banned anything to do with Nazism. Try again. This man's an idiot.


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20 Jul 2018, 5:16 am

I have no idea what @PearlsofWisdom is talking about even though he appears to be replying to my post. Something about the EU, but then Trump and Obama seem to be in the picture as well.

I will appreciate anybody's effort to shed some light on this, thanks!


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26 Jul 2018, 4:25 pm

MaxE wrote:
I have no idea what @PearlsofWisdom is talking about even though he appears to be replying to my post. Something about the EU, but then Trump and Obama seem to be in the picture as well.

I will appreciate anybody's effort to shed some light on this, thanks!

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I'm a She and Chronos who by my current post also a she, are also on a par via agricultural misphrasings, you pain your forefathers if you are actually going to go there with the law.

As you can see, no one has bothered to quote you in your general theory point scoring quotes which no one has reflected on in order to answer you. Be glad I replied!



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30 Jul 2018, 3:19 pm

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The problem is not Trump's fault. I believe either during the Clinton regime or during George W's regime (I think it was the Clinton regime) has this policy passed. Obama was encouraging people to come illegally. So parents would send their kids over to play to our sympathies and also exploit the loopholes of "oh, you can't deport the parents only! Stop separating families!" so that the media could play on it in hopes of getting Amnesty and taking the White House (and by extension the country) forever so we could be one party like California and China. So kids died on the way there on the trip, girls, even young ones, get raped, some people kidnap kids and pose as parents to try and get in, and kids get trafficked across, sometimes for sex.

So Trump gets the blame for this mess since the media always cover for Obama and the Republican Establishment like Lyin Ryan don't have his back as they are whores to the US Chamber of Commerce and love the open borders too.

So Trump is kinda stuck on this (after all, what he was doing was just enforcing the law, which is kind of his job) and eventually issues an executive order to TRY and buy peace and the Left STILL hates him!

CPS would take kids away from their parents if they pulled the stunts that these foreigners did when sending their kids on that dangerous trek across our border, and if we Americans tried "But separating families is racist!" as an excuse to justify child endangerment, we'd be laughed out of a court of law!

Since they were being continually urged to come both by the Obama administration and the Mexican government, we now have this crisis on our hands where we're getting overwhelmed. Trump wanted a wall to try and discourage border crossing, but of course the Leftist Democrats and the cheap labor whore Republicans wouldn't let him get that, so that's not his fault either.

Also, I might add, when these people are released to await a court date, I heard that the vast majority of them NEVER show up.

I, pretty much, agree with every word, here----especially, the parts I've emphasized.




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30 Jul 2018, 3:26 pm

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Neither Mexico nor any other Central American country has any right to critize the U.S.

Not just those countries, but ANY country, IMO. Every single one of these countries that are represented on here, by someone putting us down, would come to us, FIRST, if they needed something----and, what is that old saying about not biting the hand that feeds you (it doesn't always mean actual "feeding"); and I, for one, am quite sick of it!!




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30 Jul 2018, 3:44 pm

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well, at least we don't lock the poor in a filthy cage with rags and chains.

We don't either. We give them food and clothes, and blankets, and stuff----and the kids are playing with games that we've furnished----all with taxpayer money, I might add.

Did you know that alot of those pictures that were displayed, were taken during the Obama Administration? I didn't think so!


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We have a civil rights convention act of Parliament

We do, TOO----only it's not called that, of course----it says that we must feed and clothe and house anyone that crosses our borders, and that's what we're doing.

I went with someone to the food stamp place, recently, and my mouth dropped down to my shoes when I saw all the foreigners, there (ILLEGALS)----all of them getting fed, with OUR money; meanwhile, the food voucher programs at schools has grown exponentially, because so many of our own kids, are going to school, hungry. THAT'S where our money should ONLY be going!!

Also, someone on here put up a thread about Americans killing more Americans, than do foreigners kill Americans, and I thought "Really?", since over 40,000 Americans are dying, each year, from synthetic opioids that some of these people are trafficking into this country.

Until YOU, personally----or, even your country----has to foot the bill for all these added expenses, please don't talk about something of which you know very little.





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30 Jul 2018, 3:59 pm

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I think that neurotypicals have gone to the dogs!

Why do you think that ONLY NTs have anything to do with this? Why do you think there are no ASDers (diagnosed, or not), among them?






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