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^ This.

I'm genuinely interested in what other systems we could implement (and what we could do now with what we have).

Are you being obtuse? A constitutional republic not based on bribery would be nice.

So are you in favor of campaign finance reform, and legislation to prevent "Citizen's United" abuses? Or do you agree with Republicans that money is free speech and corporations are people?

Yes, but I'd like to know what I can do now in the system we currently have.

I assure you, I'm actually asking because politics are far from my area of expertise.

You are stuck in the left/right paradigm. It's not just Republicans who support the Supreme Court ruling you are referencing. The reason I can't support the Dems is because they no longer represent an opposition to Republican neoliberalism. The blue wave has already become a stagnant puddle. Dems have already helped the Pubs pass a bill that roles back Obama-era banking rules. So much for supporting regulation, huh?


It's only going to get worse. I'll continue to vote for independent and third-party candidates. You keep propping up the one-party system at the behest of your corporate masters, and demonize people like me who have had enough. The propagandists are surely getting their money's worth with folks like you.

Get involved in politics. Pay attention to what is actually going on in Congress. Grass roots movements are the best way to get elected politicians to act in a way that is the best interest of their constituents. In the end, they want to remain in power. And if they realize they won't get reelected...well, you get the point.


It's not going to be an easy fix. It's going to take a massive revolution, or awakening, of the public. Suffice to say, we will never get anywhere if we keep propping up the two major parties. I don't think reform will ever happen within either party.

Basically, you could move to Canada. It's not perfect here, but there's far less f**kery than the political game of very expensive smoke & mirrors that plays out in your country non-stop.

Unless I marry a Canadian or get sponsored, I can’t become a Canadian citizen.

What is Canada’s view on legal resident aliens?

I vote Democratic Socialist, and that's where my money goes. But i also know that the Democrats are the next best thing for the reasons I already listed.

What Democratic Socialists are you voting for, just out of curiosity?

We don't have the exact same system or labels.

What we do have are people here on work visas, student visas, others with "PR," (Permanent Resident) status, and then citizens. (Whether born or immigrated.) I don't know if "Investor Immigrants," have any sort of different status. Also, I can't speak for any other Canadian but myself and my observations of others.

Personally, when I meet someone who's here on a work visa, I'm basically like "Ok, cool. Gonna try to stay or just here on a working holiday?" Most say they're going to do whatever it takes to be here permanently. Some start out as just a working trip and then fall in love with the place and want to initiate whatever process they have to from here or back home in order to come and stay here forever. I'm happy they have the opportunity to come here and work, maybe earn better money than back home (whether Ireland or El Salvador), utilize their expertise, escape a war zone or famine etc and they are happy to be here, breathe clean air and drink fresh water, and be around a VERY diverse population of generally accepting people.

But that's my experience here in EXTREMELY multicultural Vancouver. Canada is a MASSIVE country. I guarantee if you ask the same questions of people in some areas of the country you're going to get some racist white people grumbling about how newcomers are stealing their jobs or some other BS along those lines - there are plenty of areas of Canada that may as well all wear klan hoods & maga hats. Attitudes will vary about immigrants depending on location, the economy, and how homogenous or diverse the population there is - much like in the USA.

In general I'd consider British Columbia to be much like California or New York's reputation. The people we're beginning to dislike very much are the Uber Wealthy because they're distorting our real estate market and entire economy so much that life is becoming very difficult for the working class poor. Some falsely think this is prejudice against Chinese people, but it is not. There are TONS of Chinese people that have been here for generations and they're just fine - it's the newcomers with vast amounts of wealth (much of it very dirty money) who are disliked for economic reasons, not race.

There isn't much, if any, "they stole our jobs," speak around here because jobs are plentiful. We NEED more people to fill them & are happy to have them come from anywhere in the world, pick up tools, and work alongside us. I do it every workday.

"Centrists" are some of the worse bad faith actors in the entire political spectrum, they only stand to amuse themselves. Can't take any of them seriously

Good column on said people, or "our better angels" when we can't calm ourselves from partisanship

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I like this meme better:



I really should watch Fight Club again soon.

Yeah, those darn centrists! Why can't they just swallow the propaganda like good little Americans, and pick a team?*Snicker*


Bill Maher is a joke! He lost all credibility when he came out in favor of the coop in Venezuela.

He is a comedian, so I doubt he minds you calling him a joke. But to suggest he has lost all credibility because you disagree with his opinion on one issue says a lot more about your all or nothing thinking than it does about him. You disagreeing with him on one issues does not make everything he says lack credibility.

I just watched this video and there seems to be an awful lot of credible statements to me.

On the subject of corruption... I'm certain you will be supporting AOC in the future if you agree with the point she is making.