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18 Dec 2019, 5:18 pm

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Well it seemed you were arguing that we got the causation of the warming backward. We say the main forcer is carbon dioxide, which you describe as confusing correlation with causation. So if carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, surely it is a proximate cause of the current warming and warming episodes in the past?


Please be more specific.


She is asking you to cut the obfuscation and state categorically that CO2 is not the cause of the elevation in global temperatures

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There is like a million of these plots published in journals...good luck debunking hard data



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18 Dec 2019, 7:16 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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Well it seemed you were arguing that we got the causation of the warming backward. We say the main forcer is carbon dioxide, which you describe as confusing correlation with causation. So if carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, surely it is a proximate cause of the current warming and warming episodes in the past?


Please be more specific.


She is asking you to cut the obfuscation and state categorically that CO2 is not the cause of the elevation in global temperatures

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There is like a million of these plots published in journals...good luck debunking hard data



Trees like Co2... How about more trees? We'd need to stop this crap about how every person is important though, because expanding population is the cause for deforestation.


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18 Dec 2019, 8:14 pm

cyberdad wrote:
She is asking you to cut the obfuscation and state categorically that CO2 is not the cause of the elevation in global temperatures

I'm confident that beneficii is capable of speaking for herself if/when she so desires.


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19 Dec 2019, 12:29 am

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Trolls get off on pushing buttons. You are into that big time. .


Heavens no young man! I simply state the facts


Mate,
The jig is up.
You have overplayed your hand.
Skulk away with the little amount of dignity you still have left.
Works like a charm, for me. :mrgreen:



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19 Dec 2019, 12:52 am

EzraS wrote:
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Trolls get off on pushing buttons. You are into that big time. .


Heavens no young man! I simply state the facts


Thanks for removing any doubts I might have had. I'm going to completely ignore your posts from now on.


If you mean ignore facts then isn't that what you already do? sounds like the status quo....



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19 Dec 2019, 12:53 am

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Skulk away with the little amount of dignity you still have left.
Works like a charm, for me. :mrgreen:


Oh dear! but I haven't played the ace up my sleeve yet?



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19 Dec 2019, 1:40 am

Corrupt politicians and corporations are doing whatever it takes to stop action on climate change because they are short sighted and blinded by the dollars in their eyes. The majority of citizens of this Earth want action on climate change but the super rich elites are doing whatever it takes to prevent action on climate change.

I believe in VOID. Vote out incumbent democracy. The politicians running government now are beyond corrupt and should be voted out. We need politicians that will listen to the majority of the people and take action on climate change. We need governments that will put people and Environment ahead of profits and take action on climate change now!



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19 Dec 2019, 2:50 am

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Corrupt politicians and corporations are doing whatever it takes to stop action on climate change because they are short sighted and blinded by the dollars in their eyes. The majority of citizens of this Earth want action on climate change but the super rich elites are doing whatever it takes to prevent action on climate change.

I believe in VOID. Vote out incumbent democracy. The politicians running government now are beyond corrupt and should be voted out. We need politicians that will listen to the majority of the people and take action on climate change. We need governments that will put people and Environment ahead of profits and take action on climate change now!


Right the world needs a new government that will be in total control of everything.



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19 Dec 2019, 5:44 am

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You, on the other hand, are an obvious troll and demonstrable liar who seems hell-bent on personifying the stereotype of "progressive nutjob" and will henceforth be ignored.


hmmmm don't trolls use a lot of hyperbole, never answer questions posed to them and don't provide evidence to back up what they are saying?

I notice you follow a standard format and avoid addressing the hard questions...but hey you are in great company



Well, apparently you don't answer the simple questions.

Trees breath cO2, we've cut down a lot of trees. Is it any wonder that cO2 levels are up? We've hacked up our very own air filter in our fish bowl. That doesn't take a summit of the greatest minds on earth, or global distribution of wealth.

If you're going to extort people and take away rights, hold these religious zealots down and administer birth control and plant trees. We're complaining about cO2 levels while cutting down trees to make room for more people, while ignoring India, Middle East birth rates. Then, letting those same practices continue when they migrate to other countries.

These are simple truths too. But, they're politically incorrect.


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19 Dec 2019, 5:51 am

What's ironic is where I live plastic bags have been replaced with paper ones. Huge stacks of folded paper bags are at the grocery checkstands now.

Which has me wondering how many more trees will need to be chopped down to supply the demand for all those paper bags.

I wonder what's next, wooden shopping carts?



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19 Dec 2019, 8:18 am

I don't think climate activists know which end is up.


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19 Dec 2019, 5:14 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
SoloSailor wrote:
You, on the other hand, are an obvious troll and demonstrable liar who seems hell-bent on personifying the stereotype of "progressive nutjob" and will henceforth be ignored.


hmmmm don't trolls use a lot of hyperbole, never answer questions posed to them and don't provide evidence to back up what they are saying?

I notice you follow a standard format and avoid addressing the hard questions...but hey you are in great company



Well, apparently you don't answer the simple questions.

Trees breath cO2, we've cut down a lot of trees. Is it any wonder that cO2 levels are up? We've hacked up our very own air filter in our fish bowl. That doesn't take a summit of the greatest minds on earth, or global distribution of wealth.

If you're going to extort people and take away rights, hold these religious zealots down and administer birth control and plant trees. We're complaining about cO2 levels while cutting down trees to make room for more people, while ignoring India, Middle East birth rates. Then, letting those same practices continue when they migrate to other countries.

These are simple truths too. But, they're politically incorrect.


I think you will find many on the left (including myself) support lowering birth rates and planting more trees to improve outcomes. However there are obstacles in getting these done without some type of global treaty.

In any case the IPCC have already found that with gigatonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere that planting trees are not going to be enough

https://grist.org/article/ipcc-report-p ... te-crisis/



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19 Dec 2019, 6:17 pm

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I don't think climate activists know which end is up.


If keeping the trees is so important, why is Trump expanding logging on public lands?

https://e360.yale.edu/features/open-for ... blic-lands


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19 Dec 2019, 6:45 pm

Trump's protege in Brazil, Bolsanaro, has earmarked all of the Amazon rainforest for clear felling.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/th ... story.html

He is using "cultural rights" to justify destroying the a major global carbon sink in the same way the Japanese use "cultural rights" to harpoon whales for sushi.



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19 Dec 2019, 8:27 pm

beneficii wrote:
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I don't think climate activists know which end is up.


If keeping the trees is so important, why is Trump expanding logging on public lands?

https://e360.yale.edu/features/open-for ... blic-lands


Last time I checked Trump isn't a climate activist. What's relevant are extra trees being cut down for all the paper bags that climate activists want used in lieu of plastic, which somewhat defeats conservation.



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19 Dec 2019, 8:43 pm

or you could just bring your own reusable canvas bag, which is what everyone i know here with a brain does.

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Trump's protege in Brazil, Bolsanaro, has earmarked all of the Amazon rainforest for clear felling.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/th ... story.html

He is using "cultural rights" to justify destroying the a major global carbon sink in the same way the Japanese use "cultural rights" to harpoon whales for sushi.


if it were up to me brazil would be reduced to a 200 mile wide strip of land along the coast. they don't have the capacity to be it's custodians, nobody does.


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