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Apparently you cannot see a difference between Obama and William Ayers, all you appear to see is what McCain and Palin and what they want you to see is Obama is guilty of because of association with the guy. Now let me ask you this did eight year old obama set bombs to protest the Vietnam war or was he a pretty much typical eight year old boy concerned with eight year old boys stuff.

You know I have no problem with William Ayers I mean what is done is done, so he did something wrong we all do bad things but what counts is if the good in your life out weights the bad, which is quite possible for William Ayers.

For me it comes down to love thy neighbor as thy love thy self and judge lest ye be judged.

The Obama campaign has tried to use the founding date of the Weathermen as a touchstone, claiming that the acts of the group were something that happened “40 years ago” when Obama was a child. Far closer to the truth is the December 6, 1990, sentencing date of Weathermen Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, when the last of the Weathermen were sentenced for their role in a string of bombings in the mid-1980s, including bombs that detonated at the National War College, the Washington Navy Yard Computing Center, the Washington Navy Yard Officers’ Club, New York City’s Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, the Israeli Aircraft Industries Building, New York City’s South African Consulate, and the United States Capitol Building.

Barack Obama’s ties to the Weathermen aren’t ties that were 40 years removed from a child’s experiences, but the conscious decision of a young radical to establish a relationship to an infamous terrorist because of shared ideology and interests.

Barack Obama never set any bombs. But he’s never had problems with associating with those who did.

If this Ayers nonsense was a real issue, you would think that McCain himself would have raised it at the debates. Instead, it is part of the whisper campaign directed at those who have been identified as susceptible to this type of smear.

Most Americans believe that both candidates are basically decent people - the decision boils down to policies and competency. On that, McCain will lose.

Obama was never a member of the Weathermen. He associated with Ayer's in the same professional way other politicians have associated with Ayer's, in the process of passing educational reforms. Why is only Obama singled out, when there have been other democrats AND republicans who associated with Ayer's in exactly the same way?

Now, if you're looking for true links to terrorism, look no further than the Alaskan Independence Party, who the Palins were members of. The founder of the party, Joe Vogler, died in a plastic explosives deal gone bad.

So, perhaps before accusing of others "Pallin' around with terrorists", Palin should put up some barricades of her own glass house.

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So I take it you believe that Bill Ayers is an evil corrupt rotten to the core type of person. How can you say that he could not have changed its like saying once a murder always a murder, which is not true people's hearts can change perhaps not over night but day by day, week by week, month by month and year by year their can be dramatic changes. Obama has shown great moral judgment in being able to work with someone for the greater good despite their past. I ask ye now does a crime define who someone is? For me it does not it is there hearts that define who they are, to judge someone for anything is to place your self above them. Obama has done nothing wrong except work with someone who in my eyes has had a change of heart.

Now answer me this do ye hate Barak Obama because you seem to passionately despise the idea of him in the white house like he is some form of sickness or disease?

Maybe he's too much the gentleman to go the low road quite yet. He has however hinted that questions of "association" will be raised in the third debate.

And as for your use of the term "smear": definition is " A false and malicious statement or report about someone". Since what's been said by Palin and written here by me is TRUE, it hardly qualifies as a "smear".

Please quote primary sources for this info. Googling for "Joe Vogler" and "explosives" yields only 1200 hits, most leading back to a NYTimes piece without attribution. Sorry: not good enough without more documentation.

Plus: even if true, you equate the Vice Presidential candidate's spouse's associations(!) with the top o' the ticket for the Dems. Not only will Palin likely never see the presidency (actuarial tables available upon request), but her hubby will certainly never see power.

Now what was you point again?

I don't say this; Bill Ayers says this:
“Guilty as hell, free as a bird — America is a great country”
''I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough.''


As if Ayers' words weren't enough, I've always been proud to judge folks primarily by their deeds, not their words. Blowing up innocent Americans without remorse is about as low as it gets for me. Not really possible to talk your way out of that.

I'm sorry if you don't believe the New York Times, but unless you can find a law enforcement agency that lists confessions and investigations on public websites, that's what we'll have to settle with.

It was not just Palin's husband was a member, she personally made appearances at their rallies and made videotapes for them. And seeing how she is the one making accusations, it's only fair to throw her own terrorist affiliations right back in her face.

And again, you completely ignore the point that Obama worked with Ayers on completely unrelated activites. If you're going to imply Obama was a terrorist, are you also accusing every other politician who worked on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge? Or how about everyone who has ever associated with the Woods Fund of Chicago? Are they all terrorists too? Is Richard Daley, who worked just as much, if not more on these projects than Obama, a terrorist as well?

Do you know how silly you sound trying to make a connection of terrorism through educational programs is?

If Bill Ayers is so evil why in the world did the people of Chicago awarded him its Citizen of the Year award in 1997 for his work on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/ ... =hpmostpop


I am tired of Washington bull s**t like this it is draining, its morally wrong and I can't stand it.

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Do you know anything about the Annenberg Challenge? Or are you simply repeating what you read / see in the mainstream media?


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The "Great Grey Lady" lost credibility years ago. I'm not alone in thinking this.

I want to know why you hate Obama so much, what is so terrible about him that he deserves to be called a traitor or terrorist? Is it because he is black, I know a lot of white are being raciest and saying they won't vote for him because he is half black is that your reason? Is it because he didn't support going to war with Iraq? Or was it because he wouldn't vote to give funding until a time table was put out? Is it because he beat Hillary Clinton in the primary? Is it because he might actually be able to help America become a better nation? Is it because you think he is a socialist? Is it because he is the polar opposite of George W. Bush and thus the polar opposite of McCain when it comes to voting on the issues? Is it because you don't like democrats?


Come on I want to know now tell me why do you despise him?

I've done none of that. I've said he's shown unbelievably poor judgement in the company he's kept.


The only folks playing the race card these days is the Democrats.

How is it that your candidate can attend a RACIST church for 20 years with impunity and get a pass from the media, yet you may accuse me of racism, sight unseen?

How is it poor judgment? I mean its not like Obama palled around with George W. Bush and agreed with him on the issues 90% of the time. Look at it this way McCain is a Bush clone with a few tweaks here and there but the basic cores principles are the same.

A racist church hmm well then so you mean everyone in that church was racist? The preacher went of his rocker yes but he does not speak for the entire church, no one person speaks for a church. From my understanding he that is the pastor didn't used to be so nuts, and if you grew up with someone how on earth could you just walk away? I mean if your mother was nice to you from age 0-16 then started getting irritable and mean slowly over the course of 20 years could you hate her? The same thing applies here, the right thing is often very hard to do, if I was Obama I don't know what I would have done because it is a lose, lose situation.

You know if you don't have anything good to say don't say anything at all, I suggest you take that advice because calling someone a terrorist, traitor and raciest without proof of that will get your tongue cut out one of these days.