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24 May 2014, 11:38 pm

So the father extracted semen from the dead guy and planted it in his daughter?Yeah............

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24 May 2014, 11:46 pm

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Well, I suppose if you believe in the death penalty, this man did nothing wrong.

It sounds like excessive force to me, without knowing the details. Not sure what the punishment should be but I think it should be more than nothing.

I agree. This thread just cements my belief that most fathers are insane.

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24 May 2014, 11:47 pm

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So the father extracted semen from the dead guy and planted it in his daughter?Yeah............

Oh ... was there proof? I didn't actually read the article.

Either way it sounded like a case of excessive force to me. And as vile as the crime was, we don't execute people for it, nor do I think we should celebrate when a pedophile dies. They have a mental sickness.

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25 May 2014, 1:40 am

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Good to finally hear about some true justice.

Amen! I'm not even gonna start saying what I think sexual offenders deserve.

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26 May 2014, 9:51 am

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Let's suppose you come upon a person savagely raping a small child,no one else is around,you can't get to a phone.What would you do?Send them a cease and desist letter?

In the abstract, I would use the force required to stop him, and no further. In a real life situation, I do not know whether I would have access to the rational "off switch" that would tell me, "here and no farther." But I also know full well that if I didn't have access to that rational part of my brain, then that would be a relevant circumstance for a court.

Now, I do not know whether or not this particular person was capable of exercising the presence of mind to know when to stop using force. But I also know that no one else in this forum does, either. That's why courts and juries exist. But when the playing field becomes so tilted in favour of the vigilante, then we have to ask the question whether the criminal law is fulfilling its public policy function properly.

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26 May 2014, 10:00 am

I don't think he qualifies as a vigilante,that implies hunting someone down and imposing ones idea of justice on someone else.If he did not catch the rapist in the act,but went to his house later and killed the man,I could see why he should go to court over that.
In any case,even if he went to court no one would find him guilty,so it did save the tax payers the cost of a trial.

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26 May 2014, 3:21 pm

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Since when does vigilanteism require action after the fact? If we subscribe to the view that he used excessive force (and I am fully aware that there is no consensus around that matter), then it would seem to me that his motivation was not merely to stop the offence, but retribution as well. The instant that the motivation moves from prevention to retribution, I suggest that vigilateism is made out.

As for the second point--that was front and center in my first post wasn't it?

My concern is that this is fundamentally prejudicial. It presumes to prejudge what a trier of fact would do with a particular case, and subordinates the proper workings of the courts to someone's prejudgement of the facts. In the ordinary course of events, I think prosecutors are well placed to exercise a certain level of discretion; but in a case such as this, it seems that the prosecutor's decision was essentially dictated by political expediency. That is what troubles me.

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26 May 2014, 3:29 pm

Maybe the prosecutor is planning a future run for political office.I suppose he wants the mob vote.
I think,and it's just my opinion,nothing else,that sometimes justice and the law are two different things.

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26 May 2014, 8:50 pm

Misslizard wrote:

In any case,even if he went to court no one would find him guilty,so it did save the tax payers the cost of a trial.

Probably so since society usually acts like the crime of child-molestation is as bad(or worse) than murder for some reason.

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26 May 2014, 11:07 pm

Good on him.

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27 May 2014, 9:17 am

Misslizard wrote:

And on that point we are in complete agreement.

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27 May 2014, 5:02 pm

donnie_darko wrote:

heavenlyabyss wrote:

I agree. This thread just cements my belief that most fathers are insane.

As a father myself, yes, I could be classified as insane if my daughter was placed in danger.

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17 Jun 2014, 12:23 pm

This is exactly what I would have done if I caught someone molesting my son.

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17 Jun 2014, 1:55 pm

visagrunt wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

And on that point we are in complete agreement.

First, the prosecutor was female, not male.

Secondly, the prosecutor did present the case before a grand jury which returned a no bill, meaning that the case could not go to trial. To go to trial for a felony in Texas, you must have a true bill from a grand jury: No true bill, no trial.

It appears that due process has been followed in this case.

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19 Jun 2014, 11:30 am

The biggest assumption being thrown around here is that the rapist had to of been mentally ill. I was molested when I was a child by someone who was close to my family, and he had nothing wrong with him. I know it's difficult to hear but humanity does not need mental illness to do things like this. That poor little girl is going to have years of learning how to deal with what happened to her -if she ever learns. I admit if my rapist was dead, I'd sleep much easier. It's been a decade or so, and I still sometimes am afraid.

Also there is the assumption that you'll be able to control a deep-seated biological instinct in a stressful situation, especially if you don't know how you're going to react. That is something extremely difficult to do without some sort of training. I know this not only because science backs this up (just google "flight, fight, or freeze"), but I've also had to defend my then 2 year old daughter from a life-threatening situation. I went to fight response and grabbed my husbands rifle. You don't feel. You don't think. The only thing going through my head as I cocked the 2K was "He's got a .45. Any hit to Ginni will kill her. I have to catch every bullet. Make ready to die." Thankfully he realized I had a bigger weapon with higher capacity and left before I put 30 .223 rounds into his skull.

And let me say I'm a bit offended that there is speculation that it would have turn out different if done in a different state. I'm offended as a Texan and a Hispanic. This isn't a culture problem or a racial problem. This is a matter of a horrible act against a child and the instinctual response of a parent.

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19 Jun 2014, 1:12 pm

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I'm from Washington state, and trust me, had he been hurting my daughter, I would have killed the f*cker, regardless of what state I resided in.

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