How do you suppose we help would be school shooters?

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Now that you've all fixed the blame firmly on everybody except those who commit mass murder, how about offering some solutions?

Nothing vague, like "Society has to change", but some actual, workable, practical procedures and processes.

Do you think you all could do that?

I don't.

Course there is something we can do.

If someone is to admit they want to attack their school then I think the person must be given something else to focus on, some goal to reach. They must understand that there are other options they must understand that they have more freedom than they realise and can choose a different path.
They might take up a sport instead if that's what they like.

Seriously though everyone has a dark side and American culture is set in such a way to make it show. You cannot really thrive in America too well.

People who are very angry at the world, who want to harm themselves, harm others and destroy things can be turned around. They can feel better and be able to cope with things without resorting to that. They can come to realise that shooting up the school will not help except perhaps for a short while but it's false. The damage will be massive and I'm sure if the shooter is alive they will say it was never worth it.

There is always another way no matter what. No matter how angry the person is or how hopeless the situation looks. Someone's ingrained ideas can't be changed over night and it takes time but I think we really should stop things like this from happening.

That's easy.

Inner city African Americans. Gang violence. Most aren't even allowed to legally own a firearm in the US.

If you fix "them", you'll fix your "gun violence" problem. Switzerland seems to be a pretty sane place for a country with lots of gunz (less murders than your beloved Canada), and I'm sure that's because they have a homogeneous society without a large inner city underclass.

School shootings and whatnot are beyond a tiny percentage of "gun murders" in the US, and they're not the problem.

One thing we could do is de-fetishise weapons, so it's more difficult for shooters to imagine that they are the Terminator, or that shooting firearms is some kind of metaphor for sexual potency. Guns should look completely unlike what they do now and shaped into something that looks ridiculous and not like a firearm at all, and types of firearm should be renamed away from cool names like Glock, towards lame and effeminate names. They could also be colored pink and have rainbows on them. Mandate that the cool guns get banned, but the lame guns stay. They can remain ergonomic because they still need to work, though.

Another thing that might work, is to adapt the idea from tobacco products that feature unpleasant medical pictures, and sell firearms with a tag that features traumatizing crime scene photos.

We could also give students tax breaks or discounted study if they have a registered house pet, as this would increase empathy. Introduce a program where students who exhibit emotional problems or are bullied, are given a pet. Give them some tangible reward if it's still alive and healthy after twelve months.

Last edited by Nebogipfel on 20 Oct 2015, 12:49 pm, edited 6 times in total.

Who is this "we"?


No one will knowingly manufacture something that won't sell. Know anything at all about marketing or even money?

Glock is not a cool name, it a rather dull name by itself. It's only its association with the gun that gives it any enhancement. The name was not just picked out of the air. Gaston Glock is the designer and manufacturer. He is an old man.


They already offer some guns on goofy patterns and colors for those, who for whatever reason, want them. How exactly do you codify cool looking into an enforceable law? How would you find enough legislators idiotic enough to vote for it?


And what, force the buyer to look at them?

Grow up.

Yes. They do the same thing with cigarette packaging in some countries, with some effectiveness. The purpose behind it would be to remind people of the real potentialities of shooting at people. Films have informed the ways that a lot of people daydream about violence, and forcing them to view the grizzly reality might snap them out of that seductive fantasy. This idea might backfire, but it's worth considering imo.

A standard product hazard warning label is sufficient. Forcing manufacturers to denigrate thier products sets a bad precedence.

The only way to solve the race problem in the U.S. is for the races to mix quickly, so that in a couple of generations, no one will care.


Not true for me. I have no problem assigning blame to the murderers/shooters/criminals, etc. I just see a parallel and larger problem.


My first suggestion is to completely rework the education system. I don't think much can be done about the sexualization of everything in pop culture. Maybe people will get bored with it one day. But kids shouldn't be socialized in schools. They teach the wrong things. Home education is the way to go. With the tools available on the internet there is no reason anyone can't teach their kids.

You say: "The only way to solve the race problem in the U.S. is for the races to mix quickly, so that in a couple of generations, no one will care.".....and I agree but, how exactly can you imagine we do this????? And who do you imagine would/could take on such an endeavor?

There is a syndicated newspaper columnist in Miami who recently posed the question "What can YOU do to help defeat racism?" I sent him an email recounting disappointment with the actions by the NAACP excluding white people from the organization and disappointment with NAACP reluctance to engage in combined black and white issues such as the movement against wealth disparity in occupying Wall Street. (Never received an answer!)

It appears the NAACP is only interested at this time in gaining equality for black people only. Perhaps the leaders at the NAACP are satisfied with the present economic situation? Or perhaps they see their personal fortunes aided more by a country divided by race, rather than a country united against the greedy corporate pigs in this country?

Far too many people are attached to the concept of race to ever give it up, anti-racists probably even more so than actual racists if you think about it. Most issues facing the black community today also effect the poor white, poor hispanic, poor native, but it is deliberately made into race issue by the powers in charge to divide us against each other. This is has been the case in this country since the end of the 17th century when the colonies started ditching indentured servants in fear that they would eventually rise up, that's why race based chattel slavery in the US came into existence because the system before scared the s**t out of the elites when the have nots started uniting against them. Racism is a tool by the elite to separate poor and working class whites from the poor and working class of other races against their shared common interests.

Unless there is blending of the races there will be a "rising up." But the numbers and weaponry will be more even this time.


Everyone.
Rid ourselves of prejudice.
The people who are attached to race divisions need to rethink their thesis. It's antiquated.

I think racism will slowly become less common the more we interact with each other.

The left will do their damndest to keep that from happening, at the same time preaching diversity.

While removing racism is a good thing, it's not really why African Americans kill each other at a high rate. As far as I can tell, anyway; they'd exclusively kill white people if so.

In fact, I don't think anyone knows why they do. Being poor doesn't mean you'll be violent. Being marginalized doesn't. It's just as easy to say that being poor and marginalized would mean people would strive to be better.

It's one of those forces of nature, really, and sadly, a massive incarceration rate and police assuming the worst are symptoms of such. But, if people want to talk about "gun crime" (a loaded word if there ever was one, and it's pretty much propaganda 101), it's the elephant they need to look at the most rather than say, the rare spree killer.

Hmm I can't really say anything about African American because I don't live in America but I do believe it's cultural and has become part of the 'black identity' there. I don't think it's because they are black genetically though.

It seems kinda similar too how in Ireland everyone is expected to know how to fight. Irish men are expected to fight over women etc and as children ages 5-6 their parents encourage kids to use their fists to sort problems
A lot of people say it's part of the Irish identity.