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30 Aug 2020, 6:28 pm

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Okay if not socialist , how does one refer to Sweden’s form of government. Please? Sorry not very worldly Just aware. Of high taxes . And know many Swede are multilingual . Pardon my ignorance .


Something called the Scandinavian model. Primarily Social-Democrat (not Democratic Socialist, that's a different thing)
A hybrid economy with high taxes, strong social safety nets, strong unions and workers rights, but still very much a capitalist system with strong individual rights and property rights.


And yes, we take english from 6 years of age, then start a third language at about 13-14.


Thank you very much for this information......


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30 Aug 2020, 6:30 pm

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A good many nations do not immigration of ex-pats of any nation what are physically, mentally or developmentally disabled, mostly because they would be an excessive burden on THEIR health systems.

So the US is physically, mentally, and/or developmentally disabled?


I’m saying, from what I’ve read, any kind of disability disqualifies you from emigrating to another country, such as Canada, Australia, the EU countries, etc.


So we’re just “useless eaters” to those countries?


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30 Aug 2020, 6:36 pm

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A good many nations do not immigration of ex-pats of any nation what are physically, mentally or developmentally disabled, mostly because they would be an excessive burden on THEIR health systems.

So the US is physically, mentally, and/or developmentally disabled?


I’m saying, from what I’ve read, any kind of disability disqualifies you from emigrating to another country, such as Canada, Australia, the EU countries, etc.


So we’re just “useless eaters” to those countries?


That’s about the extent of it. Besides, if we were allowed to reside in those countries, Uncle Sugar would still have their hands in your pockets for US taxes. Besides, Uncle Sugar has made it damn near impossible politically and financially to renounce your citizenship, no thanks to FACTA.



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30 Aug 2020, 7:04 pm

So I guess we're stuck in the Fourth Reich forever.


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30 Aug 2020, 7:11 pm

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My experience with Swedes has all been positive. Big contrast between Swedes and, say, the French! :D Of course, in France the food is much better. :D

I would like to put in a word in defense of the French. I was reminded of this when I posted earlier about Sweden's past role as a Socialist role-model. The French instructor I mentioned was a really wonderful person. I was actually at his apartment at one point (I forget the reason but it was legitimate). Sadly one of his children had just died. Of course I have trouble with showing empathy and this made me a bit self-conscious, but the fact is that he was a wonderful person. I Googled him recently and learned he had quite an illustrious career. Had I any interpersonal skills I could have probably maintained lifelong contact with him. Anyway, there are some really obnoxious people in France and there are some quite wonderful people there. It's a big country with a big population. My view may be biased because I actually speak and understand French (although I was much better at it when younger). Being able to speak French helps tremendously when trying to get by there. French people can be very intense (I guess this is a huge difference compared to Sweden!) and sometimes it can be a challenge to deal with. They love to talk and they love to express opinions. They also have a dry sense of humor, and if your French is good enough to participate you can usually get by.

I had an especially good time visiting (mostly Southern) France in the early 80s. Most people seemed very friendly and eager to talk. I think the early 80s represented a high point in post-WWII French history. They had finally recovered from WWII and were much more confident as a nation than they'd been a decade earlier when I spent a semester there as a student. Sadly I think things have headed in the other direction since, but then I suspect the same could be said of Sweden.


It was a joke. :D I meant no offense. I enjoyed my time in France and found that as long as I tried to speak the language, people were nice and friendly. I never did spend any time in Paris, which is supposed to be the worst. In Europe in general, people did not like Americans much (Viet Nam War and all), this was many, many years ago. But for some reason, most people thought I was German, which was much better. Later I visited again in the south of France with a now XH and it was pleasant and interesting. And the food was great.


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30 Aug 2020, 7:54 pm

Even if disability wasn't an issue, many countries only allow people to move there for the following reasons:

1. Marrying someone in that country.
2. Going to college in that country.
3. Having a marketable skill*

Basically, if you don't have a college degree in a STEM field, forget it. Your only hope for a life comparable to the Scandinavian countries is to overthrow the U.S. government and install the Nordic model by force.

The only way I could have done well in a university computer science program is if I was given straight A's just for showing up. The public school district I went to really screwed me over.


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30 Aug 2020, 8:13 pm

The closest I've ever been to France was New Orleans. :lol: :D


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30 Aug 2020, 8:17 pm

To clarify, I have no plans to emigrate to Sweden, or any other country. However, visiting Iceland is #1 on my bucket list.

My focus is on having serious social changed here in the U.S. But there’s too much fierce resistance.


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31 Aug 2020, 12:59 am

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Basically, if you don't have a college degree in a STEM field, forget it. Your only hope for a life comparable to the Scandinavian countries is to overthrow the U.S. government and install the Nordic model by force.


You realize there is a bit of a size and population discrepancy at play here, right? The money and bureaucracy involved in installing just the scandinavian healthcare system in the US would be an absolute nightmare. Not that I wouldn't applaud the attempt.


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31 Aug 2020, 2:18 am

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Okay if not socialist , how does one refer to Sweden’s form of government. Please? Sorry not very worldly Just aware. Of high taxes . And know many Swede are multilingual . Pardon my ignorance .


Something called the Scandinavian model. Primarily Social-Democrat (not Democratic Socialist, that's a different thing)
A hybrid economy with high taxes, strong social safety nets, strong unions and workers rights, but still very much a capitalist system with strong individual rights and property rights.


Thank you very much for this information......

a term they also use, is "third way."



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31 Aug 2020, 2:25 am

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1. Marrying someone in that country.


I'm single, ladies. :wink:


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31 Aug 2020, 9:48 am

Plus the Nordic countries are more sexually liberated because hardly anybody is religious. LGBT acceptance is through the roof.

Here, there is an entire political party that considers the right to control peoples' bodies and call people "f*gs" to be the most important thing in the world. You know which party I'm talking about.


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31 Aug 2020, 10:32 am

the worst part of amuuurican religion is that it most often has been used for suppression of minorities in general.



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31 Aug 2020, 10:43 am

Jakki wrote:
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Okay if not socialist , how does one refer to Sweden’s form of government. Please? Sorry not very worldly Just aware. Of high taxes . And know many Swede are multilingual . Pardon my ignorance .


Something called the Scandinavian model. Primarily Social-Democrat (not Democratic Socialist, that's a different thing)
A hybrid economy with high taxes, strong social safety nets, strong unions and workers rights, but still very much a capitalist system with strong individual rights and property rights.


And yes, we take english from 6 years of age, then start a third language at about 13-14.


Thank you very much for this information......


Thank you Wolfram. I have never had it explained so succinctly.

Does Sweden have political representatives in some sort of congress in any way resembling American representation?


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31 Aug 2020, 10:50 am

I suppose that would be Riksdagen.


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31 Aug 2020, 11:53 am

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I suppose that would be Riksdagen.

Parliamentary . Form of gov , sounds like it might be a good form of government . But I think many Arabs have moved into the region recently, and worry about the stress on the system there could be high .


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