Polar bears resort to cannibalism as Arctic ice shrinks

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The retreat of polar ice is pretty simple to measure and verify. I don't think there is any doubt that most glaciers around the world are retreating and that ice floating on the Arctic Ocean covers less area and is thinner than it used to be. The idea that these changes in the ice have a negative effect on polar bears is not so controversial, either.

I would also add in the fact that many fish populations have dropped by 50% to 90%, which biologists agree is mostly from over-harvesting by factory ships that are very good at what they do - too good, in fact. Human induced changes to the ocean food chains has reduced herring populations dramatically and increased pollock somewhat - which is bad for seals. Fewer seals means fewer polar bears. But hey, its all good. Lets double the human population in the next 50 years. Or crash the planet trying.

I wouldn't worry about that.. no, most people will get sent to places like this and burn alive in some giant furnace...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4[/youtube]

Global warming is good for the economy.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_kqsuOxKFY[/youtube]

That makes me really sad.. it's pretty obvious how easy people are manipulated.. a little charm and humour goes a long long ways. Thanks for that.

I agree with you about weather control. I remember reading about 15 years ago that they were doing research on it and it looked very optimistic. They wanted to be able to produce rain. Now I can't find anything on it and it seems unlikely that they just stopped doing the research. To be able to control the weather would give the government god like power.

"My main source is my gut."

More paranoid delusions. Railroad related companies have that kind of security as a normal practice - tall fences with barbed wire are used to keep graffitist and hobos out. One way turnstyles are used to allow people to exit without having to have a security guard on duty at all times. Security cameras are a normal part of a business concerned with theft and other crime. Windsocks are not only for helicopters, they are used for measuring windspeed and direction (railroads started systematically gathering weather data in the 1870s).

Here's a map of weather stations located on a rail line in Alaska. OH MAH GOSH - Wasilla is listed - Palin is working for THEM!! They try to hide their connections, but the truth comes out.

Actually, they pretty much gave up on rainmaking. It was shown that it is sometimes possible to trigger a cloud to drop its rain if they hit it with seeding material (silver iodide, dry ice, etc). But not reliably. And when they need rainmaking most (extreme drought), the affected area is usually dominated by dry, high pressure air that doesn't have the necessary clouds.

The site I linked to does state some of it's sources. Amoung them is The Oregon Petition, which is signed by 18,000 professional scientists.

Wow.. you love filling people's heads with total bullshit.. according to google they haven't stopped.. don't you trust google?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4410309502

that's from 2006, which was only 2 years ago.. however, planes are still doing more of the same, if you have eyes, and can actually use them to process a visual.



I also happen to have the document which describes Agenda 21 specifically.. I don't know how to post it since it's a PDF file consisting of many pages. But if anyone wants it i can email it to them.

Only a nitwit would say that Google is making that claim - you are linking to another flake video, except in this case, it was not posted on YouTube, it was posted on Google Video. News Flash!: Google Video is a service where anybody can post anything (although they may remove it if there are complaints about copyright violation or hate speech). Google Video is just like You Tube, just as Pepsi is just like Coke (although Pepsi has a bit more sugar). Google has not investigated and verified this video. They don't care one way or the other, as long as the videos bring people in and expose them to Google's advertising. But thanks for trying.

Any excuse to waft away the claim, eh? you desperate desperate man.. fine, whether google put it up or not, I don't really give a rat's poop. The point is, weather control is the reality of the situation.

And I don't know what the deal is with that map you posted.. so what?.. a map?.. that tells me what? that old train tracks run all over the place?.. duhh.. if you had of actually watched that video, you would see true logic at its best.. it was a concentration camp, end of story.. you probably watched 1 minute of it, how overly typical.. one of the trains that is showed on the train track in the video had military written on it.. so yeah, I'm sure it's just an old train track.. newly renevated old train track..

The map is of weather stations operated by a railroad in Alaska - a wind sock is not proof of a helicopter landing pad / concentration camp, but the map is proof that the railroads gather weather information and have a legitimate use for windsocks.

I watched enough to see the the "Air Force" train (2-3 minutes before gagging on the illogic of it all). That engine was likely built in WWII or during the space race (before we had NASA, the Air Force did the rocket launches) and I would not be surprised to see it in a yard undergoing repair or renovation. I keep my cars for 10-15 years, but the railroad keeps engines for 50 years and tracks even longer. Believe it or not, the US Air Force (and other branches of the military) own a lot of stuff, and they sometimes use trains, planes and ships to move their stuff around.

On friday, a co-worker showed me pictures she took recently while working on a project in a train repair yard. It was very high tech. The railroads are undergoing a big increase in business because they are so much more fuel efficient than trucks. One of the pictures was a guy welding new metal onto old tracks - no different than laying a new layer of asphalt over an existing road.

With all the benefits that weather control can bring to the military, do you really think they would give up that easily?

And, if they had the capability to control the weather, do you think they would want people to know about it?

All the talk about aliens seems to sway people more than this. The government wanting to control the weather seems very plausible to me, but somehow it's lumped in with the other conspiracy theories which are way out there and perpetuated by the very people who want their secrets to remain secrets.

"If the bee disappears from the surface of the earth, man would have no more than four years to live."

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well 2 to 3 minutes wasn't enough I guess.. I was satisfied that what she was demonstrating was in fact, something that they have renovated for a reason.. apparently it was going to be torn down, but instead they renovated it.. and the barbed wire fencing was facing inwards, not outwards.. to keep people IN, not out.. (new fencing).. there were giant heaters attached to the building, larger than any train station would need.. believe me it's not a train station.. watch for yourself..

First off, let's knock down that "professional scientists" figure. The basic requirements, as far as I can tell, would allow me to sign the petition in the not so distant future when I finish my BSc, and I haven't got a thing in the world that would make my opinion particularly qualified in climate science. Never mind who knows how accurate there methods are. When we start factoring out (of there current 31K signatures) people who are trained in fields not related to climate science, we drop down to 3,697 signatures in people claiming to be in "Atmosphere, earth, & environmental" sciences. You could safely enough shave of another 2148 from that number because earth scientists aren't specialists in that field either, leaving us with 1549 possible candidates worth looking at. I'm not in the mood to take a serious look at it, but I'll wager you can knock out a decent chunk of those who don't have a PHD, leaving us with even fewer people who can really be called "professional scientists in the field".

Most of the websites I'm coming across are pretty dismissive, so I'm making do with what I can get. Scientific American had this to say about it.


Now, honestly, given the wealth of information out there and the fact that the near totality of published peer reviewed articles agree with anthropogenic global warming, I don't think I really need to go any further into this. This isn't taken seriously even.

I've got many more sources backing up my claims:

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/art ... 1152.shtml
http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Environment/debunking.htm
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=62598

I don't see the point of posting more links, as the burden of proof is on you.