How can people be so brutal with refugees, really?

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Criminals aren't free to leave. They could go home if they so wished.

Someone told me that in the first group of Syrian refugees to arrive in New Orleans, there were only two families. The rest were all single young men.

I worked directly with refugees for a few years. Only one of them was Syrian. She was a very nice young woman, smart and cultured. She was married with a baby. I liked her. I don't know specifically why they were here.

Most of my students were Asian or African, but I had a few Iraqi young men. They seemed to have a problem being respectful to women. They would openly hit on me, the other teachers, and the other students. We had to ask each of them to leave the organization. They were openly hostile to each other. One of them picked a fight with the Syrian girl, because she was Syrian. I know one of them participated in war crimes against women in Iraq and was supposedly in therapy for PTSD here. I had to report one of them to the police because he would not stop texting and calling me, even after my husband told him to stop.

I know quite a bit about conditions in long term refugee camps. If no one takes those people, they will suffer and die. They'll watch their kids die for stupid reasons, like no Vitamin E, which will breed hate. It's cruel.

But I don't think I would teach refugees again. I'm a mom now and I can't risk putting myself in a position where one of these young men can get a dumbf*** idea in his head and jeopardize my family. I actually know these people and the resources they get in the US, and it's not adequate. The culture of young arab men in the US is strikingly similar to the culture of young black men in the US. It could be corrected, but with social programs reorganization that no one wants to do.

From what I've been told by someone who is very knowledgeable about the area, the Muslims from Turkey and from Syria are usually quite modern and more open than those from the other Middle Eastern countries. According to him, they are much less likely to be involved in terrorism.

However, there is a problem in that there are reportedly a large number of forged Syrian passports that could be used by terrorists to sneak into various countries. Didn't one of the terrorists in Paris the other day enter France on a forged Syrian passport?

Honduras arrested 5 Syrians with fake passports at their national airport today with intention of making it to the US, their is some reports of 8 Syrians being arrested at the Texas border in Laredo too. These refugees are legitimate threat to our domestic security, there is no way we can tell who these people are and do we think ISIS is lying about infiltrating our countries as refugees?

And the good Samaritan gets gunned down at a concert, and they keep on bringing them in, because sometimes, the Suicidal do actually get their wish.

Dun dun dun.

Well, your government obviously is contributing to this war continuity, like many other nations, so you should handle part of the consequences as well, same for the Iraqi war years ago.

Or do you want to throw it all on the poor Levant countries every time?

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Last I heard, no one else caused the Syrian civil war other than the Syrians. Any meddling by "my" government is generally to curtail the mess they made in Iraq; bombing IS that crossed the border to take advantage of the civil war in Syria. Ironically, Syria didn't try and stop Syrians from going into Iraq and causing violence.

Now, if we're talking Iraqi refugees, then you have a point, and yes, they should be allowed after the usual screening, but this is a far cry from the open borders of Europe, which is pretty much akin to suicide.

And Israel was created on its own with no help of the West too, right? .

How many out of the 5 Million Palestinian refugees the Western countries who contributed directly in the creation of this conflict took in? Please....

We're not talking about Palestinians and Israelis, and their problems.

However, I'm sure many countries in Europe are fine with taking in Palestinians that meet whatever guidelines they have for immigration. Many western countries provide a heap of aid to the Palestinians too.

So, I don't see your point here, other than if someone did something in the past then they should be accountable to some extent? That'd need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt with the who, where and why. You can say the aid given is compensation enough if the meddling hands were only indirectly related.

A country looks after itself first. 120 citizens of one should be equal to an indefinite number of theirs in regards to priority given.

I am a compassionate person as I do believe the US has had a significant role in this conflict, I would pick and choose the refugees I see fit to allow entry. Christians, Druze, Kurds, Shia, Alawites, Yazidi, could be allowed in without a threat to our security. Women, homosexuals, atheists, persecuted minorities basically probably aren't a risk. The rest can either stand up and fight or go to some neighboring country or Europe.

Integration is key, if these refugees cannot integrate then they are huge security risk that will only get worse in the second generation. Look at France now, their Muslim youth are much more radicalized than their parents and show considerable amount of support to ISIS. Bringing these people to live in little enclaves and ghettos is recipe for disaster. These rich Arab countries made such a fuss about removing Assad so why aren't they taking any more refugees?

Regarding the 8 Syrians arrested at the Texas border in Laredo, they were reportedly two families who presented themselves at the border and identified themselves as Syrians fleeing Syria.

They are now in custody and going through immigration processing.

TV crews/media make it look worse than it already is just like adverts on TV urging people to donate money for the poor in Africa, most of Africa has moved on from being in poverty, it's just the companies trying to make money from it. The governments don't want to look bad, and if the public were in control, we would most likely shun them out because there's no more room and we don't want them to take our jobs.

I agree. But, it's interesting that Aspies should be saying such things, considering how badly integrated they also are. And how, "news" media also loves to speculate about the degree to which each latest mass murderer is on the spectrum, almost as much as media loves to speculate about their being Muslim.

I can easily imagine an alternate universe, not far removed from this one, where Aspies have become the hated scapegoats in the place of Muslims, "justifying" a curtailment of civil liberties.



It's odd, I agree.

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I would say, out of anybody, I know the feeling of being an outsider and not being able to "integrate" and it doesn't lend itself to anything good. If you felt that for your whole community and religion? Most of these terrorists are young men not much older than me if at all faced with bleak job prospects and a society completely foreign to their own, you have to imagine the psychology of these Jihadists.

FWIW I think the proposals about harassing domestic Muslims are crazy, my point is about immigration and stopping any bad folks from making it in rather than turning on US citizens. Muslims have shown the ability to integrate in America much better than Europe but the circumstances are not quite the same since they come here to work and chase the American dream, anybody can be an American but the same is not true in Europe. Most want to go to Europe because it already has a much higher concentration of Muslims + the whole nordic welfare state already provides for themselves, their wives, and their 15 children. They're not staying in the countries with no benefits, they're actively avoiding them.

My whole point is that immigration needs to be metered and we need prioritize resettlement of people who are a)not a security threat and b)have a realistic chance of assimilation. No more ghettos, this is harmful to all involved.

people are animals and they are just following their instincts. they instinctively think, but they think instinctively.
from above it all, it is all just a crazy stampede of ill fitting confluences that are doomed to mutual destruction.
like a computer program gone crazy.

in this world, one predominant gene is incompatible for cohabitation with another predominant gene, and when either of the them want world domination, they are both bound for extinction if they have equal resources.

the concept of world unity is not possible in humanity with every gene being acceptable to the values of the pool.
some genes are archaic and need to be hastened into history.