Pentagon Admits UFO's are real

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Yes Nixon and McLaine were an odd couple but then Nixon was a complicated character.

she said his daughters were fascists. nixon was said to be a closeted gay along with his buddy bebe rebozo.

"All walks of life !" (George Hanson , Easy Rider 1969)

Wow...I see Bob Lazar is back in the media spotlight on Netflix
https://www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico/al ... n-area-51/

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/27/world/fa ... index.html

People theorize these kind of radio bursts are from alien civilizations. The one they traced was to a galaxy 3.5 billion light years away. That means if it was indeed from an alien civilization it was from 3.5 billion years ago.

I think the prospect that civilisations existed 3.5 billion years ago extends the algorithms of the "Drake equation" predicting the existence of intelligent life in the universe.

In addition to the sheer volume of earth like planets in the known universe the prospect they have been around for 4 billions years means the probability intelligent life arose just once here on earth is infinitesimally small.

If even one life form evolved billions of years ago and is still around they would have populated most of the known universe

I certainly think it is possible even likely (this phenomenon has not been observed in our own galaxy as far as I know) that these signals originate from an alien civilization.

However there are two things I find false about your premise:

1) The assumption that they are still around. A civilization that was around 3.5 billion years ago probably isn't still around. Although interstellar colonization greatly enhances this probability. Imagine if humans persisted for 1000 years never left our solar system and wiped ourselves out in a war. 3.5 billion years from now some other civilization could pick up our signals.

2) The assumption that they colonized the universe. Once again, no one knows if circumventing the light barrier is possible. Furthermore no one knows how large the universe is. If the light barrier is not surmountable said aliens would have to have left 3.5 billion years ago and made a straight bee-line for Earth in order to show up here.

My point is if intelligent life was present 4 billions years ago then it probably arose (across a temporal scale) trillions of times well before we humans climbed out of the proverbial bubbling mud pools. Even if just one society evolved for a tiny 1000 years beyond where we are now they would likely no longer be manifesting as "physical beings" and can likely snap their fingers and be in any part of the universe they please...


We are already seriously contemplating downloading consciousness so I think the current crop of scientists might be over-estimating the physical barriers to the persistence of life in the future.

Do you think it was the same department that told Trump about the airports during the war of independence?

But seriously...

I have no problem with the idea that there could be other life elsewhere/when, I simply know that the chance that wild speculation will reveal the truth is vanishingly small!

Why?

I think it's fun to speculate. My parents claim they saw a ball of light come down from the sky, then shoot straight up and splinter off into several different directions. This would've been in the 60s, when they were still dating. Years later, a couple they knew had a similar experience in they same area. Whatever it is, they are, etc... they seem to occur in the same areas.

I can't imagine Aliens would have much to be curious about with us. Maybe to watch us flip out when we see something we can't explain. But, we're ruining the planet, so wanting to take over the earth would be unlikely. If the did exist, it would be far outside our galaxy. I keep waiting to hear that someone has heard the golden record playing back that was sent out into space on the Voyager, but no luck there either.

Humans are curious creatures and most seem to have a need to connect, why has there been no reciprocation? Why just fly around if they are that close? The idea that UFOs fly all the way here and do absolutely nothing seems like a complete waste. I think there would have been some attempt to at least acknowledge our attempts to contact them.

Unless, they have already always been here. There are lots of crazy sound recordings from the sea. To me, that's interesting and something worth investigating. We keep trying to get to far off planets, when we can't even get to the darkest depths of the ocean.

In all likelihood an advanced alien life-form that has been around longer than us may be involved in terraforming or seeding suitable planets with life and so may be monitoring us so that we don't make ourselves extinct (a highly likely scenario in the next century).

We humans create national parks and act as stewards to ensure the survival of endangered species by monitoring and collecting samples.

I think aliens may be doing the same thing, occasionally abducting some of us to collect tissue/sperm samples to monitor our condition.

Beyond this I doubt any advanced life form has anything to learn from us. For all we know they may have terraformed thousands of planets in our galaxy so we might be planet #234-YRD%65

I have a feeling that the debate regarding extraterrestrial UFOs being real or not is going to continue unresolved for many more decades.

Anyone who thinks aliens would want to conquer Earth has been watching too many old movies. A species that has developed interstellar travel will be reusing all their resources, so they won't need any of ours. That and the water from ice in the Oort cloud or the Kuiper belt or the moons of the outer planets in this solar system is easier to obtain and likely a lot cleaner. Oxygen can be electrolyzed from water. Hydrogen for the fusion reactor can be found just anywhere. If not, the part of water that isn't oxygen is hydrogen. Food can be produced in large quantity if you can engineer a large enough habitat. Much less hassle than having 7 billion primitive, superstitious, murderous savages wanting you off their planet or worse if they get their hands on your tech.

Actually the late astrophysicist Stephen Hawking thought the Voyager spacecraft and radio signals eminating from earth will unnecessarily attract aliens who might want to do us harm
https://www.space.com/29999-stephen-haw ... anger.html

But frankly if there were aliens floating around outside out solar system I doubt they would need Voyager to inform them theres life on earth. Just illustrates us humans unnecessarily project our own limitations on the rest of the universe.

Well unless they want to develop a nice 14.9 C planet as a vacation home and need to remove the primate infestation that currently resides there.

A species that develops interstellar travel has incredibly advanced technology, but I think it would be a mistake to assume they have unlimited resources or no problems. For example a group of them could have lost a war and are fleeing their main society and need a nice habitable planet to settle down on.

What I find unlikely is that aliens would visit earth, but only do so in a fleeting way such that their very existence can be debated. I think they either wouldn't bother to make the journey, or make their presence known.