Lecturer At Yale Event Fantasizes About Murdering Whites

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09 Jun 2021, 3:08 am

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I imagine the mods understand nuance and context when comparing a troll on WP with somebody supporting another person's need to undergo a form mental release which is quite revealing about the state of mental health of a segment of the population.

I would be equally interested if this was a Trump supporter, an Incel or a devil worshipper going in public about their darkest fantasies.


If the good doctor was a white Trump supporter and gave a similar public speech about his perceived enemies, this thread wouldn't even be allowed. It would have been locked as soon as someone here said, "I disagree, but I understand and support him for saying what he said." Plus, I find it dubious you yourself would say that if Dr. K was of a different demographic.



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09 Jun 2021, 3:37 am

I think only two members here on WP have supported her right to speak to her colleagues about her psychiatric fantasies because
1. She is a psychiatrist/medical doctor
2. She was speaking to an audience of colleagues or fellow psychiatrists and medical doctors
3. She felt the need to share he psychiatric experiences to an audience equipped to understand her cognitions

Her lecture was "The Psychopathic Problem of the White Mind" and it met the brief by organisers as it pertained to mental health.

The doctor used a common technique of disclosure where they assure patients of colour that they are not crazy for having emotional problems created by racism and let them know they are being understood by disclosing their own thoughts or feelings.

In illustrating this technque to her peers she says her words were taken out of context and should not have been taken literally. She claimed that she was trying to move beyond the "dry, bland regurgitation of new vocabulary words with no work in the unconscious” she claims permeates race discourse.

“And, if you want to hit the unconscious, you will have to feel real negative feelings,” she said.

She said the comments she made was a means of dealing with the negative feelings she was experiencing.
“My speaking metaphorically about my own anger was a method for people to reflect on negative feelings,” Khilanani added. “To normalize negative feelings. Because if you don’t, it will turn into a violent action,” she said.

Medical School leaders ultimately decided they would limit access to the video to only those who attended the talk, effectively ensuring only individuals in the Yale community could see it.

The university also added a disclaimer to the video.

“Yale School of Medicine expects the members of our community to speak respectfully to one another and to avoid the use of profanity as a matter of professionalism and acknowledgment of our common humanity. Yale School of Medicine does not condone imagery of violence or racism against any group,” the disclaimer read.

According to Dr Khilanani, “Something is emotionally dangerous about opening up a conversation about race,” she said in the email. “No one wants to look at their actions or face their own negative feelings about what they are doing. The best way to control the narrative is to focus on me, and make me the problem, which is what I stated occurs in the dynamic of racism,” she said in an email to The New York Times.

Nicholas Christakis, a professor at Yale teaching social and natural science, internal medicine and biomedical engineering, said "it's not having disturbing fantasies that is problematic, not even discussing such fantasies in a classroom. Most human beings have disturbing fantasies," and said that it was a proper topic for discussion.

So it seems the discussion has been censored but it was mean't for her colleagues. Where she made a mistake is to underestimate the fragility and insecurity that is associated with any discussion on race and emotion (even among psychiatrists)

This has been an extremely eye opening response by Yale and the general public.



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09 Jun 2021, 5:05 am

I'd just like to point out that quotes from Cornerstone Speech also weren't censored out of WP. Quoting a racist text to point out that it's racist (or to discuss possible doubts wheather it is racist or not) is not the same as promoting racist content. From our ancient guidelines:

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b) Creating threads attacking black people (or any other colour) is not acceptable. However, it is quite acceptable to discuss issues regarding racial tensions and racism itself. So there would be no problem debating why race riots occurred somewhere, but it would not be acceptable to say that a particular race smells bad or are stupid.
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09 Jun 2021, 5:09 am

cyberdad wrote:
I think only two members here on WP have supported her right to speak to her colleagues about her psychiatric fantasies because
1. She is a psychiatrist/medical doctor
2. She was speaking to an audience of colleagues or fellow psychiatrists and medical doctors
3. She felt the need to share he psychiatric experiences to an audience equipped to understand her cognitions

Her lecture was "The Psychopathic Problem of the White Mind" and it met the brief by organisers as it pertained to mental health.

The doctor used a common technique of disclosure where they assure patients of colour that they are not crazy for having emotional problems created by racism and let them know they are being understood by disclosing their own thoughts or feelings.

In illustrating this technque to her peers she says her words were taken out of context and should not have been taken literally. She claimed that she was trying to move beyond the "dry, bland regurgitation of new vocabulary words with no work in the unconscious” she claims permeates race discourse.

“And, if you want to hit the unconscious, you will have to feel real negative feelings,” she said.

She said the comments she made was a means of dealing with the negative feelings she was experiencing.
“My speaking metaphorically about my own anger was a method for people to reflect on negative feelings,” Khilanani added. “To normalize negative feelings. Because if you don’t, it will turn into a violent action,” she said.

Medical School leaders ultimately decided they would limit access to the video to only those who attended the talk, effectively ensuring only individuals in the Yale community could see it.

The university also added a disclaimer to the video.

“Yale School of Medicine expects the members of our community to speak respectfully to one another and to avoid the use of profanity as a matter of professionalism and acknowledgment of our common humanity. Yale School of Medicine does not condone imagery of violence or racism against any group,” the disclaimer read.

According to Dr Khilanani, “Something is emotionally dangerous about opening up a conversation about race,” she said in the email. “No one wants to look at their actions or face their own negative feelings about what they are doing. The best way to control the narrative is to focus on me, and make me the problem, which is what I stated occurs in the dynamic of racism,” she said in an email to The New York Times.

Nicholas Christakis, a professor at Yale teaching social and natural science, internal medicine and biomedical engineering, said "it's not having disturbing fantasies that is problematic, not even discussing such fantasies in a classroom. Most human beings have disturbing fantasies," and said that it was a proper topic for discussion.

So it seems the discussion has been censored but it was mean't for her colleagues. Where she made a mistake is to underestimate the fragility and insecurity that is associated with any discussion on race and emotion (even among psychiatrists)

This has been an extremely eye opening response by Yale and the general public.

I support her right to say it and Yale’s right to give her a platform to say it for first amendment reasons. What I do not support is their choices of where to say it.

She may be a petit woman but a petit woman can use a gun or like the incels use a moving car to kill people. People are going to be insecure and fragile about somebody fantasizing about killing people born like them.

The double standard is incredible. People are being canceled or publicly humiliated for saying a dated word or expression or something racist they did or said years ago when they were teenagers. Yet people are advocating for giving her slack for what she said recently.

Saying you fantasize about killing people because of their race in a speech where you spew vile things about said race is a lot more then a microaggression.


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09 Jun 2021, 6:06 am

She should have pointed out, at the outset, in opening remarks, the psychoanalytical, metaphorical/symbolic nature of her presentation—as sort of a “trigger warning.”



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09 Jun 2021, 7:04 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
The double standard is incredible. People are being canceled or publicly humiliated for saying a dated word or expression or something racist they did or said years ago when they were teenagers. Yet people are advocating for giving her slack for what she said recently.

Saying you fantasize about killing people because of their race in a speech where you spew vile things about said race is a lot more then a microaggression.


Her intention was to trigger debate about how deep set the PTSD is for people who experience racism in the ferocity of her own repressed feelings (as a POC) as an indicator of what might be similar pent up rage in other POCs. Her intention was to shock her audience.

Dr Khilanani is a psychoanalyst and is following Freud's theory to air her repressed thoughts and feelings about killing white people who get in her way is too painful for her as an individual, which she previously unconsciously pushed out of her consciousness until she became unaware of its existence in her day to practice as a doctor.



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09 Jun 2021, 7:18 am

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I'd just like to point out that quotes from Cornerstone Speech also weren't censored out of WP. Quoting a racist text to point out that it's racist (or to discuss possible doubts wheather it is racist or not) is not the same as promoting racist content. From our ancient guidelines:
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b) Creating threads attacking black people (or any other colour) is not acceptable. However, it is quite acceptable to discuss issues regarding racial tensions and racism itself. So there would be no problem debating why race riots occurred somewhere, but it would not be acceptable to say that a particular race smells bad or are stupid.
viewtopic.php?t=204613


Didn't you make one of my threads disappear because it involved a rancid person ranting?
I am not sure why this thread has survived. :scratch:



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09 Jun 2021, 7:39 am

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magz wrote:
I'd just like to point out that quotes from Cornerstone Speech also weren't censored out of WP. Quoting a racist text to point out that it's racist (or to discuss possible doubts wheather it is racist or not) is not the same as promoting racist content. From our ancient guidelines:
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b) Creating threads attacking black people (or any other colour) is not acceptable. However, it is quite acceptable to discuss issues regarding racial tensions and racism itself. So there would be no problem debating why race riots occurred somewhere, but it would not be acceptable to say that a particular race smells bad or are stupid.
viewtopic.php?t=204613


Didn't you make one of my threads disappear because it involved a rancid person ranting?
I am not sure why this thread has survived. :scratch:


I believe it has survived in order to assist in demonstrating the hypocracy in certain quarters of the site...But it's possible there's other reasons as well.



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09 Jun 2021, 7:42 am

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Because the bulk of the media has a left-wing bias.


You mean the same media that's consistently adversarial to social democrats and anything to the left of centrist liberals? :lol:

What media have you been watching? Most nauseatingly fawn over social democrats.



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09 Jun 2021, 7:44 am

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As far as I'm concerned, this is akin to a member of the Ku Klux Klan speaking at a serious academic conference about the "fantasy" of killing black people.

Correct!
What alarms me is that it is treated as a nothing burger by the media, Yale University and DC.



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09 Jun 2021, 7:57 am

As far as her speech itself, there are crazy people out there, she is one of them. The real question is why did Yale actually gave her a platform.

Tt's not even a free speech issue. I mean, it is supposed to be a RESEARCH talk, is it not? If someone wants to give "research" talk on something that clearly isn't a research, they would be turned down, no? Especially at the prestigious university such as this. She can have a free speech to talk about it on the streets all she wants. But its weird she was able to get on stage.

And the other question, of course, is why wouldn't they give a stage to a White person describing similar attitude to blacks. Yet they gave her the stage to trash Whites. That shows a huge double standard in American society.



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09 Jun 2021, 8:22 am

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So, in the same vein, you don't see "white supremecy" as much of an issue, provided they are only "discussing their fantasies" in the same manner as this lecturer did, and not justifying violence?


If white supremacists were having the same discussion the analogous experience would be due to severe delusions and my main problem would be with why that person isn't receiving professional help. :wink:

So may I infer from your comment that this woman needs professional help as well?



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09 Jun 2021, 8:23 am

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I don’t believe CRT and all the rest seek to perpetuate racism…I believe they seek to end it, and to validate people’s experience with racism.

However, I find that it can go too far, and paradoxically perpetuate a racist mindset.

Check out Dr Thomas Sowell's views on CRT. It is eye opening.



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09 Jun 2021, 8:33 am

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She should have pointed out, at the outset, in opening remarks, the psychoanalytical, metaphorical/symbolic nature of her presentation—as sort of a “trigger warning.”

Well, I agree in principal but should'nt she save this for her own personal counselor rather than a public forum?



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09 Jun 2021, 8:37 am

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But it's possible there's other reasons as well.


It must be that the mods all secretly adore me.


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09 Jun 2021, 8:39 am

Someone yelled this out in the high school gym,
“I don’t like white bread,
I don’t like white milk,
And I don’t like white people.”
I can understand why she would feel that way.
Now if she yelled out,
“I want to kill white people.”
That would make me fear for my safety.
It also perpetuates the stereotype that all blacks are violent.


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