Influenza and questions not being asked.

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Please correct me if I’m wrong.

1.Out of about a dozen possible influenza strains that have a potential to become a pandemic only about three are selected to be in the yearly vaccine. What criteria goes into deciding which three to include? Is one of the criteria the length of time it might take to manufacture the reagents? If it takes too long to manufacture said reagent for said strain is it excluded from the selection. Is this one of the reasons why sometimes some people get the flu even though they have had their vaccination? Is this why when it was necessary to manufacture reagents for a very specific strain like the H1N1 the process took longer than usual?

2.The yearly flu vaccine gives immunity to three specific strains and some partial immunity to strains that may be closely related to those strains. This immunity lasts for several months. In contrast if you actually get the virus and suffer the illness you become immune for the rest of you life to that particular virus and have a partial immunity to some related strains which may not come around again for a few decades.. Knowing this if you are healthy would it be more risky to get the vaccine or suffer the illness so that you would be immune in your old age when you may not be as healthy?

The decision on strains goes by the most frequently found strains.

ruveyn

Getting the flu is annoying, but rarely fatal, being protected, leaves no other defense. One flu does protect from others. The 1918 killed young healthy people in peak health, in as little as twelve hours. Old peple did not seem to get it, or if they did it was milder.

I know two sisters, both have children, both are nurses. One kept a spotless house, and did not let her children even play in the grass. The other was not much of a housekeeper, had dogs living in the house, dogs in the yard, cats everywhere, sleeping with the children, who ran barefoot through the dog yard.

When they grew up one group is super healthy, and the other has every allergy known, various vauge health problems, and catch every bug. They were the clean ones.

This flu seems to be killing young people who have not had the flu, is mild in those who have had a flu, and we old folks seem immnune.

Long term it is best to get a few flu bugs, and a lifetime immunity, or partial immunity.

Like chicken pox and mumps, get the kids together for a mild flu party.

Agreed--best to keep the ol' immune system exercised now and again. Mine got exercised just last week.

Or you can live like this:

Strictly Germ-proof

THE Antiseptic Baby and the Prophylactic Pup
Were playing in the garden when the Bunny gamboled up;
They looked upon the Creature with a loathing undisguised;—
It wasn't Disinfected and it wasn't Sterilized.

They said it was a Microbe and a Hotbed of Disease;
They steamed it in a vapor of a thousand-odd degrees;
They froze it in a freezer that was cold as Banished Hope
And washed it in permanganate with carbolated soap.

In sulphurated hydrogen they steeped its wiggly ears;
They trimmed its frisky whiskers with a pair of hard-boiled shears;
They donned their rubber mittens and they took it by the hand
And elected it a member of the Fumigated Band.

There's not a Micrococcus in the garden where they play;
They bathe in pure iodoform a dozen times a day;
And each imbibes his rations from a Hygienic Cup—
The Bunny and the Baby and the Prophylactic Pup.

--Arthur Guiterman (1871-1943)

I'm sure you're all 100 times smarter than me, but even a$$holes have opinions right? (referring to myself ) I don't think I will be taking any vaccines this year, but there is definitely something .... "in the air". The mother of an acquaintance of mine just passed away after a two week hospital stay, and the doctors never figured out what was wrong with her. She had pneumonia but they couldn't understand why after all of the antibiotics she was given, her white blood count was too low to fight the infection. That sounds like AIDS to me...but she was healthy. I've read some conspiracies about the swine flu being airborne AIDS, so it makes me wonder. Personally, I think vaccines are just another way to make money, and they're trying to kill off some of the population before they introduce national healthcare to the U.S.. I don't blame Obama, as I believe the powers that be have been headed in this direction for a long time.... but maybe I belong on the schizophrenics forum.... This is just my two cents....

Sounds like a "superbug" to me. My mom died two years ago from a C. diff (Clostridium difficile) infection secondary to multiple sclerosis. She had been fighting that and MRSA for some time, but her immune system was such a trainwreck at the end that she could fight neither, and every attempt to stimulate it resulted in her body attacking herself.

Not AIDS. Do some reading. "Modern Medicine" cannot cure everyone.

I'm sorry about your mom. I agree that modern medicine can't cure everyone. I encouraged my acquaintance to give her mom natural, not from concentrate fruit juices, but I don't think she was interested in my theories due to the drama that was unfolding. I fast regularly on organic juices to clean out the toxins, hoping to avoid unnecessary sickness......I've read a lot about it.

I didn't really think it was AIDS, but do we even know where AIDS came from?! I don't trust the government (eugenist) theories..... I used to believe everything that was spoon fed to society, but I am suspicious of pretty much every "fact" at this point.

Thank you. I'm not sure what to make of all this still. I distrust nearly everything nowadays, for sure.

But maybe that's a good thing...

The makers of the vaccine (dept. of health) decides which of the strains they think are the most likely to be severely infectious during the next flu season. In other words, it's an educated guess. Sometimes they get it right, and sometimes they get it wrong. Year before last, the seasonal vaccine was only effective against something like 40% of seasonal flu strains; usually it's much better than that.



No.



No. Firstly, there are some flu variants that spread at low levels even when the variants chosen for the vaccine are well-chosen; secondly, sometimes the vaccine makers don't choose right.



No. The seasonal flu vaccine was already mostly completed when the H1N1 flu started to spike (in April of this year). There was no time to include it in the seasonal vaccine. The H1N1 vaccine is being made the same way that the seasonal vaccine is - a little bit faster, if anything. The seasonal vaccine for one year is started during the previous year's flu season because it takes so long to make; that's why the prediction of which strains to use is so often not dead-on.



Incorrect. Immunity by vaccine lasts for years, or even life, but only for those specific strains. The flu mutates so quickly that immunity to last year's strain(s) does not protect you from this year's strain(s).



There's really not that much of a difference in immunity granted by immunization vs. immunity granted by infection (except that the former is a hell of a lot less miserable). They work through the same bodily process, and both of them leave memory cells circulating in the body indefinitely.

Not a flu-ke topic

Since I have been getting an annual flu shot since 1993, I have not had one bout of the kind of flu that makes your lungs feel as if on fire, and a cough that became so severe I needed antibiotics (because of related pneumonia) and codeine so I could sleep and not cough so hard (I had this cough for five weeks). I have very week lungs, and I need protection.

I have opted for the H1N1 vaccine instead of the annual flu shot. I have had the nasty strains over the years: 1962, 1968, 1977, 1989 and 1993. And these are only the ones I can remember off hand.