Parents losing children in 'loaded system'

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09 Nov 2009, 7:25 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 344410.stm

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Parents losing children in 'loaded system'

By Nick Lawrence
BBC Inside Out, Birmingham


Against a background of prejudice and out-of-date assessments, six out of 10 parents with learning disabilities are having their children removed for adoption, research by Bristol University suggests.

In Birmingham, where children's services were described as "not fit for purpose" in a government report, social workers have told the BBC the system is loaded against the learning disabled who are more likely to lose their children than keep them.

A whistleblower in Birmingham City Council's social services department said: "We frequently remove children from young mothers who continue to have children.





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"We frequently go back and remove one child after the other, but we'll find there's been very little or no work done with that mother from having a first child removed to giving birth to the second child."

Anna Marriott, a researcher at the Nora Fry institute based at Bristol University, said the system discriminated against the learning disabled.

She told the BBC: "Rather than looking for any actual evidence of problems with parents coping, (social workers) just assume the parent won't be able to cope.

"And rather than looking to put a support plan in place, they'll look to initiate child protection proceedings."

The Birmingham whistleblower agrees, claiming once one child has been removed, removal of the family's next child is virtually automatic.

She added, once one assessment has been made by social workers and psychologists, the same assessments are likely to be re-dated and re-used for when another child comes along.

The whistleblower said: "Lots of people will copy over old info, not checking the primary source of material."

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Isabelle Plumstead, a leading family court judge said she had concerns about multiple child removals and wanted to see much more support put in place.

"If you help the parents, of course you are helping the children.

"And when you, as I have, come across the eighth, ninth, 10th, or even in one case the 14th child of a parent being in care proceedings, how much better if the thing could have been cracked at number one."

Christine Spooner had two children removed from her care and placed for adoption by Birmingham Children's Services.

At the time her condition, Aspergers syndrome, had not been diagnosed.




Family judge Isabelle Plumstead said she had concerns about the removals
She said: "They didn't understand the person I was. They just seemed to look at the weakest parts, what I couldn't do. They didn't even try and think about what I could do".

Support for learning disabled parents is available through organisations such as Citizen Advocacy South Birmingham (CASBA).

Specialist workers help to guide learning disabled parents through a complex legal process which can be emotionally draining.

CASBA serves the whole of South Birmingham but is staffed for only 58 hours per week.

Vice chair Sior Coleman said: "The harsh reality is that we don't have enough money.

"There is an understanding from the authorities that it's an important service, but it's seen as a luxury - as an add-on."

The whistleblower said she had been in meetings along with 17 professionals and one parent with no representation or support.


I've got to change that because I would agree with you that isn't fair, that isn't proper and that isn't right

Colin Tucker
director of Birmingham Children's Services
She said in some cases the parent had been identified as having issues with anger management, poor communication skills, or poor concentration.

She added: "So they have to sit and listen to the most intimate details of their lives and their children's lives [being] discussed in a professional forum and they are expected to behave as professionals.

"And if they are not behaving in that way, they will be judged on that."

The BBC put the social worker's claims to the new director of Birmingham Children's Services, Colin Tucker, who said: "I've got to change that because I would agree with you that isn't fair, that isn't proper and that isn't right.

"I want to talk to parents with learning disabilities, not to patronise them or make excuses, but to genuinely listen to their stories and see how I can respond to that."

It is too late for Christine Spooner, though, whose children have now been adopted and are with new families.

She has devoted herself to volunteer work, helping to support parents going through a similar experience, and is campaigning for change.

She said: "I'm sick and tired of the negative attitude and I want people to think more positively about learning disabled people.

"Realistically I would love to be a parent again, but what if it happens again? What if it goes on again?

"I don't want to have my heart torn out the third time in a row. I've had enough pain in my life. I don't want any more".

The Inside Out investigation, "Christine's Story", can be seen on BBC1 in the West Midlands on Monday 9 November at 1930 GMT and on the BBC iPlayer for seven days following the broadcast


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09 Nov 2009, 8:13 pm

That's ridiculous.


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09 Nov 2009, 8:52 pm

If she hadn't been diagnosed as having AS yet, then she was not targeted due to a disorder diagonsis. She may have lost the children because of how the disorder made her act, but it wasn't because officials were looking through records and found that she wasn't nuerotypical. So the whole example doesn't make sense with the rest of the article.

Beyond that - I'm always suspicious of articles like this. Could the children have been taken away solely because she doesn't act normally? It's possible. Could they have been taken away due to some abuse? That's possible too. The parents aren't going to outright admit that they weren't a good parent, especially if they were abusive, so it's very difficult to get the full story. Just because she has AS does not mean she is a good person.


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13 Nov 2009, 11:56 am

Thats prejudice, hell the british system and the people involved in this should be charged big time



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14 Nov 2009, 12:54 am

gamefreak wrote:
Thats prejudice, hell the british system and the people involved in this should be charged big time


Yes they should, but they wont be. they will not change a thing.

its sad. so many kids get abused and no one cares. but the good parents get there kids taken for being a bit odd. being odd doesn't make you a bad parent. being mean and crule and violent does.

but those people get away with it because they know how to hide it. so the system is flawed at its core.

wait till we have free health care here. i bet it will be 10 times worse here with this type of thing because of it.



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14 Nov 2009, 5:58 am

I was reading yesterday where one woman in England had about 18 kids by assorted fathers and the government keeps taking them.

They can't steralise the woman because that would be against her "rights" and they can't let her starve so they have to give her public housing and welfare payments.

Her total cost to the community will run to many millions of pounds.

In other words one total loser in her lifetime will use up more money than 100 or 1000 normal people will pay in taxes in their lifetimes.

Is that fair?



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14 Nov 2009, 12:54 pm

Wombat wrote:
I was reading yesterday where one woman in England had about 18 kids by assorted fathers and the government keeps taking them.

They can't steralise the woman because that would be against her "rights" and they can't let her starve so they have to give her public housing and welfare payments.

Her total cost to the community will run to many millions of pounds.

In other words one total loser in her lifetime will use up more money than 100 or 1000 normal people will pay in taxes in their lifetimes.

Is that fair?


No its not fair at all, but here America we have tons of single moms like that. They have a lot of kids with different fathers, some who are in prison. The other children the mom was no idea who the father is or the are a product of a one night stand with a NBA or NFL player. Then you have Octomon with 14 kids through fertility treatment.