La Nina responcible for spring 2011 tornados

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http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/climat ... me-for.asp

It is an interesting article explaining the weather patterns which created this spring's moster tornados. It talks about climate change as well too, but like most climatetologiosts they say that there is not enough data to prove if climate change has anything to do with this. However as far as his ending statement on the non-debatable issue of man made climate change, I have to disagree, for I have heard compelling arguments for both sides of the issue. As for me, I think that man plays a part but so does the earth's natural cycles. I think that man plays less of a role in climate change than we think, but is not helping the situation either. But either way, this is an interesting article of the weather factors in play that caused these storms.

Also if anyone has any information to add to this please do so, other than that, I like to hear your views

Jojo

This year is not as bad as the 30s, less people, more killed. The Wizard of Oz was inspired by the fear produced. People had nightmares.

Around 1910, hurricanes killed 12,000 in Galveston, one came north of New Orleans and removed the town of Ruddock, killing 1200.

Compared, Katrina killed hardly anyone. 1,500 died in New Orleans after the storm, of thirst and heat over the next week, waiting for FEMA. Hardly any died in Mississippi where it made landfall, as a Cat 3.

1815 was the year without summer. That followed the New Madrid Quake, which is the largest we know of, made the Mississippi run backward, with waterfalls, and large aftershocks continued for years. Every 200 years.

The record is filled with some scary times. In Saint Joe Florida everyone died of Yellow fever, and that stopped that. New people moved in and most died in a hurricane ten years later. Now it is Parrot Fever, but that kills so fast it does not spread.

In the Geologic record, the current weather is unusually mild. 1100 to 1300 was a little ice age. In 705 the Black Sea and the Nile froze. In 900 the Vikings came south because their crops would not ripen. The Romans wrote of how fond they were of the wine made in northern Scotland. By 1100 it was ice covered all year.

The Mississippi flooded in 1927, again in 37. Tornados were bad in the 30s. We seem to be in that cycle again. Our economics also match. Perhaps The Big Band Era will return.

While we are altering the climate, the clearing of forests over the last thousand years did also.

A planet sized cycle can spit out strange things. Local weather, but we had tornados every year, and the fifties were warmer, and saw some extreme rain events. The melting of the Arctic ice is not us, that started thousands of years ago. It was ice free with sea level seven meters higher 25,000 years ago.

By 20,000 years ago it was solid ice, with sea level down 150 meters.

I would predict a warming trend, for the next few thousand years, till Florida is mostly reef. That will continue as there will be no more ice to melt. After another few thousand years it will trigger an ice age. It will snow till sea level drops 170 meters, then remain stable for a ten thousand year winter.

Your local forcast may vary.

Inventor, do you think that the sun has any part to do with the global temps?
I read an article about a cornial(sp) mass ejection from the sun in Early June, do you think this had anything to do with summer-hot temps comming early???

Do you think all this green buisness is big corperations and polititions trying to get rich off of something that is inevitable and not human caused?? Like carbon taxes, and "green" technolog???

I always look foward to your posts,

Jojo

Recent history for me is 50,000 years, Geology and all.

In that time we have had three waves of ice, and three interglacial periods. The one centered on 35,000 years ago lasted 5,000 years and was about as warm as now. The ice returned, for a short time, 5,000 years, and the following warm period was much warmer. Sea level was seven meters higher, which means all the ice melted, the Arctic was ice free, people lived along the Arctic coast.

Then the ice returned, 22,000 to 12,000 years ago, sea level down 150 meters, and all that melted 10,000 years ago, very fast sea rise, as much as sixty foot in one summer. Over 2,000 years we reached this level, where sea level rise has been slowed to a foot in a hundred years.

The heat exchange could not be caused on this planet. The core is stable, greenhouse gasses could not cause it. In BTUs, British Thermal Units, the amount of heat needed to warm a pint of beer one degree F., the number is huge.

Our orbit is stable, it does vary, but not by much, and it does not fit the onset of ice ages. What does is large craters on a 26,000 year cycle. They throw up dust, which screens out sun light.

Long term, hundreds of millions of years, 125 degrees F. was normal.

That seems to have been stopped when a land bridge formed between north and south America, blocking a major current.

This long term warm period seems to rule out patches of space dust blocking the sun light.

The Sun by most thinking does not vary much. Warm is our natural state, and with the blocking of the Pacific current, which warmed the whole world, we now have warm and cold regions, and where they meet, storms.

We are a product of ice ages. Living in the warm lands of Africa, millions of years, some development, sticks, rocks, fire, but no change. Our technology starts to change in the Mesolithic, when the first Sapians went north into the cold, and has continued to advance. We have lived in the cold and technology has advanced for 50,000 years.

Climate stress made us what we are, we adapt to change, those who do not die. Those who do not have to, never develop.

The pattern of human settlement changes, for those that live, other northern cultures who waited it out, end. Survivors seek a habital zone. And Survive. The survivors of the last very warm period lived along the Arctic coast, 10 degrees above the Arctic Circle, where day is six months. Others lived way up mountains.

Our future seems to be a speeding up of the ice melting, till sea level is 21 foot higher. That might take 500-700 years. My own view is I am waiting for the mile wide crater, due any time. That has been the trigger for the last ice ages.

A warn ocean, holds heat, a dust cloud and the land turns cold, and warm moist air cools, and falls as snow, for a few thousand years. Thirty miles of snow, which compacts to three miles of ice. Then the dust settles, and the sun slowly melts the ice.

As I live a meter above sea level, my bet is the crater. The beach line from the last warm period is thirty miles north. As the Earth is 80% water, the odds are the same the meteor will cause a wave that will wash away everyone, somewhere. There is evidence this happened to the east coast 26,000 years ago, and deposited marine life in the mountains. That would take a wave several miles high, and fifty foot would clear all of Florida.

While we love the California coast, Florida, Native Americans avoided the place. What seems a habitable area had very little population. Large populations, Mayan, Aztec, lived inland in the mountains.

In the old world the Chinese lived up the rivers, Sumerians, Egyptians, and all of the islands of the Pacific were uninhabited till recently. In our era most people live along the coasts. It has a richer food supply. Early people would have done the same, but they are missing.

I do not see any short term solutions. Carbon is less of a problem than killing off all other life on the planet. We are causing a mass extinction.

A good meteor shower would set thing right, reduce humans, clear the beaches for turtles, and let the forests recover.

If any other species was so over populated, there would be a bounty on them.