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25 Oct 2014, 2:04 am

Teacher gets into fight with female student in hallway, placed on administrative leave. Hopefully soon to be arrested. An individual incapable of maintaining composure under duress has no business even interacting with students.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/school-fight ... a/29160038

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25 Oct 2014, 6:35 am

I don't know. I think the student was the instigator here. It was the student who was charged according to the link.

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25 Oct 2014, 12:20 pm

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I don't know. I think the student was the instigator here. It was the student who was charged according to the link.

The teacher should still have handled it differently. Subdue , don't fight.

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25 Oct 2014, 10:17 pm

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androbot01 wrote:

I don't know. I think the student was the instigator here. It was the student who was charged according to the link.

The teacher should still have handled it differently. Subdue , don't fight.

My dad is a teacher. He says that the rules only permit the teacher to try to talk the student down. If the student proceeds with an attack, the teacher is limited to simply taking the hits. Any attempt to physically subdue the student, such as grabbing at the hands to stop the punches from landing is breaking the rules. So, if you attempt to subdue, the punishment isn't going to be any different from fighting back. The only people allowed to subdue the students are the security guards, who may not be nearby.
My dad also has told stories about how other students have joined into a (onesided) fight against a teacher after it began. Pretty vicious.
I could see how it would seem plausible that a teacher might feel forced to act accordingly to not be mauled. But the teacher should still remain cool, calm, and collected

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25 Oct 2014, 10:57 pm

Protogenoi wrote:

khaoz wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

I don't know. I think the student was the instigator here. It was the student who was charged according to the link.

The teacher should still have handled it differently. Subdue , don't fight.

It is so sad. in these kinds of things I wish we could go back in time to when kids were better behaved. Sometimes I think there could be truth to conspiracy type theories which say that behavior is being affected by things in our food and water and even the air we breath, otherwise, the theory of evolution is sounding more sensible by the day. Human behavior is just changing too quickly.

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26 Oct 2014, 5:55 am

khaoz wrote:

An individual incapable of maintaining composure under duress has no business even interacting with students.

I agree with this. Teens love provoking and acting out. If you can't take it, don't work with them.

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I wish we could go back in time to when kids were better behaved.

They weren't. It was only a matter of where they acted out. Back in the day, they didn't dare do so in school, but those inclined would do vandalism or violent things outside of school. Back in the USA of the 1920's and 30's it was a problem that youngsters committed vandalism, so emphasis was put on trick or treating instead.

We had this book about Norway in the 1900's, and it mentioned events from every single year. More than 100 years ago difficult boys were sent to a special school. They made a lot of trouble, including setting a barn full of cows on fire.

I doubt it was any different in earlier times or other places either. There will always be some who are extreme, and I think it always has.
Today it seems worse because media brings it into our homes daily, and because children and teenagers don't fear their teachers anymore, there will be more normal child/teen behavior in classes, and the more extreme ones will also become more visible.

Those are my 2 cents anyway.

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26 Oct 2014, 1:16 pm

/\ I'm actually beginning to believe that fear of physical pain is a necessary instruction tool for public schools.

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26 Oct 2014, 1:19 pm

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/\ I'm actually beginning to believe that fear of physical pain is a necessary instruction tool for public schools.

I think the problem is school itself. It's very design creates an uncomfortable and challenging environment. Like putting two dogs in a small cage. I think homeschooling or online education is the way of the future.

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26 Oct 2014, 2:23 pm

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/\ I'm actually beginning to believe that fear of physical pain is a necessary instruction tool for public schools.

Or spend more money on the schools themselves. That doesnt mean just throw more money at the problem but scrape of some of the costly layers of bureaucracy so more money actually gets down to the end user.

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26 Oct 2014, 2:38 pm

I don't believe that the good old days were nearly as glamorous as people say.

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26 Oct 2014, 9:52 pm

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androbot01 wrote:

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/\ I'm actually beginning to believe that fear of physical pain is a necessary instruction tool for public schools.

Yep, the money usually just lines the pockets of Bureaucrats rather than actually benefiting the schools. The Superintendents in most school districts make more than the governors of the state. Most of them make between $200,000 to $600,000, not including perks... which can include free cars, cell phones, etc. They raised their pay during the recession too. Also when a district imposes an income cap, the superintendents tend to retire, collect pension, and then get rehired to superintendent in another district. So, they'll switch around collecting pensions. One superintendent was found to be collecting more than a dozen pensions at a value of about 1.2 mil a year.

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26 Oct 2014, 10:16 pm

Protogenoi wrote:

Raptor wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

Raptor wrote:

/\ I'm actually beginning to believe that fear of physical pain is a necessary instruction tool for public schools.

Yep, the money usually just lines the pockets of Bureaucrats rather than actually benefiting the schools. The Superintendents in most school districts make more than the governors of the state. Most of them make between $200,000 to $600,000, not including perks... which can include free cars, cell phones, etc. They raised their pay during the recession too. Also when a district imposes an income cap, the superintendents tend to retire, collect pension, and then get rehired to superintendent in another district. So, they'll switch around collecting pensions. One superintendent was found to be collecting more than a dozen pensions at a value of about 1.2 mil a year.

Then I'm in the wrong business..........

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27 Oct 2014, 4:30 am

Raptor wrote:

/\ I'm actually beginning to believe that fear of physical pain is a necessary instruction tool for public schools.

You mean paddling? That makes students more aggressive not less. Chances are likely this teacher terrorized this student in the past with remarks like "I'll kill you!" There are few people willing to stand with a student who reached their last straw with an out of control teacher. Recognizing teachers could be abusive forces people to deal with the uncomfortable reality kids may not be safe in school. It's easier to blame the student who broke down after months of abuse.

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27 Oct 2014, 4:31 am

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/\ I'm actually beginning to believe that fear of physical pain is a necessary instruction tool for public schools.

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27 Oct 2014, 4:43 am

VioletYoshi wrote:

Raptor wrote:

/\ I'm actually beginning to believe that fear of physical pain is a necessary instruction tool for public schools.

You mean paddling? That makes students more aggressive not less.